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Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Interests in 802

Tom Kurihara is a consultant to the IEEE Staff on Intelligent Transportation
Systems (ITS). I will be hosting a meeting with Tom, and others who want to
join us, on Tuesday (Board Room - time TBD) to see if their are any mutual
interests within 802 on this area. More details are below. I will ask for
meeting fee dispensation for Tom. See below for a lot more details. Tom's
inputs might have significance in wireless requirements. My question to Tom
is what private companies have a market interest in this area, since 802
standards that have been successful serve the private marketplace.

Tom Kurihara
3800 North Fairfax Drive, #207
Arlington, VA 22203-1759
703-516-4688 fax

Jim Carlo( Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee

-----Original Message-----
From: T. M. Kurihara []
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:34 PM
To: Jim Carlo
Subject: RE: Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Interests in 802

Jim:  The National ITS program is part of the Transportation Equity Act for
the 21st Century (TEA-21) that provides a five-year funding authorization
for the U.S. Department of Transportation.  Funds are allocated to States
to fund projects that deploy systems and roadside devices such as message
signs and highway advisory radio.  The attached presentation may provide a
broad picture of IEEE involvement in the ITS program.

IEEE is one of six SDOs working with FHWA to accelerate the standards
required for deployment of ITS.    American Association of State Highway
Transportation Officials (AASHTO), National electrical Manufacturers
Association (NEMA), and the Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE)
sponsor the National Transportation Communications for ITS Protocol (NTCIP)
and the Transit Communication Interface Profiles (TCIP), ASTM sponsors the
dedicated short range communications (DSRC) standards, SAE sponsors the
advanced traveler information services (ATIS) and the in-vehicle standards
such as crash avoidance radar,  navigation and route guidance standards,
and IEEE sponsors data registration, incident management, application layer
for DSRC, and security and smart card interface standards.  Each of the
SDOs are funded for public agency participant travel and for consultants to
accelerate the development of the draft documents over the past four
years  The R&D for phase of the development of the initial set of standards
is now in transition to testing tee standards and deployment of systems
conforming to some of the standards.

There is more standards development remaining and there are issues still
unresolved in the area of DSRC and what more is needed to complete the
NTCIP and TCIP work so that the highways and transit components have what
is needed for deployment of ITS system components.  The presentation has a
graphics of the National ITS Architecture and the TCIP architecture.

Who's in charge?  Christine Johnson, Director, Joint program Office for
ITS, reporting directly to the Office of the Secretary of Transportation,
but administered through the Federal Highway Administration.  Secretary
Slater was formerly the FHWA Administrator that conceived the program under
the previous Secretary Pena.

My role is an advisor to the IEEE Staff as an independent consultant.  I
Chair an IEEE P1489/P1488 WG, a volunteer activity.  I am the liaison from
SCC32 to the ISO TC204 TAG, the IEEE point of contact for the technical
project coordination for IEEE ITS standards that are being considered in
ISO TC 204, and serve as the IEEE data steward for the registration of ITS
data concepts and messages from IEEE ITS standards.  IEEE has designed and
implemented a meta data registry conforming to ISO/IEC 11179 in support of
the ITS program with a configuration control committee with representatives
from all of the SDOs and major stakeholders in the ITS program.

The National ITS Architecture is at the heart of the ITS development and
deployment.  ITS Japan has adapted and expanded on the US architecture. All
of the major motoring national bodies are involved in ISO TC204, ITS World
Congress, and CEN TC276.  ITS America is the US trade association serving
as an advisory body to the DOT Secretary as well as sponsoring a number of
user groups for the various ITS areas such as traffic management, transit
operations, traveler information, emergency management, archived data user
services, highway-rail intersection, location referencing, communications,
in-vehicle data bus and communications, etc.

I am attempting to address the need for active IEEE leadership role in
resolving the DSRC issues in behalf of the IEEE and sponsor SCC32.  Also, I
am attempting to serve as the IEEE conduit to establish a working
relationship between 802 and the ITS NTCIP Joint Committee.

I probably created more questions in your mind than I have answered.  If we
meet, I would like to invite David Kelley, Sub-Carrier Corporation to sit
in, if he will be there on Tuesday.  David has the in-depth technical
understanding of the issues surrounding the ITS DSRC problem.

At 13:28 6/30/00, you wrote:
>Wireless Team, how should we handle this? I'd like to set up small group
>meeting at 10am on Tuesday morning.
>Tom, can you supply me the following:
>1) Are you chair of ITS? What is ITS?
>2) Which company do you work for?
>Jim Carlo( Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
>Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
>-----Original Message-----
>From: T. M. Kurihara []
>Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:11 AM
>To: Jim Carlo
>Subject: Re: Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Interests in 802
>Jim, I think I can work a day trip in on Tuesday, since the TAG business
>meeting begins on Wednesday.
>An aspect of what is needed for the NTCIP Profiles Working Group in
>relationship to the 802 committee I got from the Profiles WG Chair this
>morning, "The ITS NTCIP Profiles WG needs technical expertise in defining
>profiles that relate to 802.2, 802.3, and 802.11. We need someone to:
>1. Answer general questions off-line.
>2. Provide guidance on what should go in a "Profile" covering those
>3. Attend at least one Profiles WG Meetings for interfacing with the WG (or
>the parent Joint Committee).
>4. Review any NTCIP developed User Comment Draft (reviews before going to
>sponsor ballot) related to the IEEE 802 Standards and any major change due
>to that review."  I would add that the WG be informed of discussions that
>provide insight into proposed changes to approved standards and field
>implementation testing.  I am not technically competent to deal with the
>details.  I would assume that similar needs would be expressed by the DSRC
>wireless folks in addition to needing a home for doing their work.  Please
>advise.  Thanks.  \\TomK//
>At 09:25 6/30/00, you wrote:
> >Tom, thanks for your note. Monday at 802 is not a good day as each of the
> >WG's is trying to get started. I will circulate your note to the chairs
> >802.11 and 802.15 for comments on how to get something started here and
> >possibly we can set up a conference call on Wed.
> >
> >Jim Carlo( Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
> >TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
> >Chair, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Telecom and Info Exchange Between Systems
> >Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: T. M. Kurihara []
> >Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:28 PM
> >To:
> >Subject: Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) Interests in 802.11
> >Importance: High
> >
> >
> >Jim: As I mentioned the other day, that there is growing interest in the
> >802.11 technology as a means of support for the ITS community that is
> >struggling with the vested interests in the technologies currently being
> >used for the dedicated short-range communications (DSRC) for toll tags
> >other ITS applications.
> >
> >There are a number of topics that needs to be discussed, such as
> >establishing a subgroup for ITS application in 802, leadership,
> >relationship to SCC32 and VTS/RTVIS, and functionality for application
> >layer 7 support (IEEE 1455-1999) for ASTM DSRC layer 1 and 2 standards,
> >that are not directly related to the scope of 802.
> >
> >The following is a brief summary of the ITS DSRC landscape.
> >1.   The ITS communications profile and base telecommunications work is
> >being done in the NEMA/AASHTO/ITE sponsored National Transportation
> >Communications for ITS Protocols (NTCIP).
> >2.  The DSRC layer 7 messages and resource manager work is published as
> >IEEE 1455-1999 and additional work has been proposed but SCC32 sponsor
> >not found active interest and volunteer leadership to activate the
> >follow-on work to 1455.
> >3.  Meanwhile we are slowly starting to address the security and smart
> >standardization for ITS based on existing standards (P1556).  First
> >has not yet been called.
> >4.  DSRC back office resource manager (P1543) is going no where since
> >approved over a year ago.
> >5.  ASTM has the layer 1 and 2 standards for DSRC and starting to work on
> >standardization needs for the 5.9GHz frequency allocation from the FCC
> >exclusive use by ITS.  ARINC is a support contractor for this work.  It
> >appears that the some changes will be needed for 1455-1999.
> >6.  There is strong interest in the ITS commercial vehicle operations
> >to adopt a viable replacement for DSRC.
> >7.  IEEE 1455-1999 is being used as the base document for a DSRC resource
> >manager for the ISO TC204/WG15, hopefully the result can be used
> >in Europe, North America, and elsewhere.  There is a protocol developed
> >Japan that is a candidate for adoption as the replacement for the current
> >DSRC standards developed under the ASTM E17.51 committee.
> >
> >Would it serve to be in SD on Monday?  I will be flying in from SFO and
> >plan to make a round trip to be able to get back to the JTC 1 TAG meeting
> >in Menlo Park.  There will be at least one other interested party
> >the 802.11 meeting from the ITS community that I am aware of.  The other
> >problem is a pocket book issue in that the meeting fee seems to be
> >prohibitive for a half-day attendance.  I will be not have funding
> >for this visit but feel that the timing may be good.  SF to SD and back
> >less expensive than WDC to SD.
> >
> >Please advise.  Thank you.  \\TomK//
> >Tom Kurihara
> >3800 North Fairfax Drive, #207
> >Arlington, VA 22203-1759
> >703-516-9650
> >703-516-4688 fax
> >