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Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9



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Paul,
 
Since I saw an e-mail from Tony that he was going to be on vacation and not have consistent access to e-mail,
I would be willing to second both motions if you don't hear from Tony.
 
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:00 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Buzz,
 
Your recommendation makes sense to me.  Will the mover/seconder consider splitting the motion as follows:
 
Motion1
Whereas 802.4 is in hibernation and no longer has any active standards I move to to disband 802.4 per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P."
Moved: Mat Sherman, Second: Tony Jeffree
 
Motion2
Whereas 802.9 is in hibernation and no longer has any active standards I move to to disband 802.9 per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P."
Moved: Mat Sherman, Second: Tony Jeffree
 
Upon confirmation from the mover/seconder, I will terminate the current ballot and run two separate email ballots.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Paul,  In view of the significant difference between the two WG's: 
 
1. 802.4 was commercially successful for several years and developed a non-trivial user base that still has proponents today, whereas 802.9 was never a commercial product and had no user community. 
 
2. 802.4 has maintained all it's requirements for a hibernating working group, 802.9 has not. 
 
3. The chair of 802.4 opposes disbanding the group, whereas the chair of 802.9 is in agreement with disbanding. 
 
I suggest that you split the motion to address each WG separately because I for one would like to vote approve for disbanding 802.9 and opposed to disbanding 802.4, and if not given the opportunity to do so I will have to vote opposed to both. 
 

Thanx,  Buzz
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:04 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Dear EC Members,
 
This is a 30 day email ballot to make a determination on the following motion:
 
Motion:
Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9.
 
The ballot opens 04August 2004 1pm edt and closes 04September 2004 1pm edt.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich
 
 
PLEASE NOTE THE BELOW: 
I have contacted the chairs of the hibernating 802.4 and 802.9 Working Groups, Paul Eastman and Dhadesugoor Vaman to get their input on the disbanding of their Working Groups.  They have also been copied on this email ballot.  On behalf of the entire LMSC, I wish to thank Paul and Dhadesugoor for their time and energy they have spent over the years in leading their respective projects.
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Vaman concurs with the disbanding action and his response to my inquiry was as follows:

"Dear Paul:
Greetings. I think you should go ahead with the plans for disbandment of IEEE 802.9. I do not think that any body has any problems, since the group has not met for many years.
[irrelevant text deleted]...
Best regards
Vaman
(T) 301-514-7880"
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Paul Eastman disagrees with the disbanding action and his response to my inquiry was as follows:
 
"I disagreed with the disbanding in 2000 (or 2001) and I still disagree.  These standards are still in use in isolated applications.  I also believe that these old standards should have the right to protect their legacy.  Under the current rules, there is no method for such protection.  I know that I am in a very small minority regarding my opinion but I am not about to roll over in bowing to the majority. I will abide by the majority but will maintain my opinion.  I do not remember when (other than 2000 or 2001) 802.4 was disbanded.  

-- Paul Eastman"
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: [802SEC] Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Dear EC members,
 
There has been a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9, made by Mat Sherman and seconded by Tony Jeffree as shown below:
 
Motion:
Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9.
 
Before I initiate the formal email ballot, I will attempt to get the chairs of the hibernating working groups to confirm they agree with this action (Paul Eastman, 802.4 and Dhadesugoor Vaman, 802.9.) over the next several days.  I have copied Paul Eastman on this email.  I don't have a current email for Vaman, so I've also copied John Boal, who I believe is in contact with Vaman and can notify him of our plans.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich


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