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Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group



John

My point is that "exponential" growth also says "ever-increasing", hence "ever-increasing" add no new information. Further more, you have way too many words to say something simple, which is "this is growing fast!".

IMHO, in PR as in standards, fewer words are better.

Still, I am only saying that it is redundant and hard to read. If you are OK with it, I am not opposed to what I personally perceive as silliness.

James Gilb

PS: We should not get into a long discussion of examples of exponential functions that are not strictly increasing. At least not without the appropriate beverages present.

On 03/04/2013 09:18 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
Geoff, I reviewed with PR people this phrase - ever-increasing,
exponential, network bandwidth growth rate

"network bandwidth growth rate" - noun being described
ever-increasing - adjective modifier of the noun separated by a
serial comma exponential  - adjective modifier of the noun

I believe this phrasing is correct.

John

From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, March
04, 2013 12:06 PM To: DAmbrosia, John Cc:
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [802SEC] Draft press
release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

John-

The sentence as constructed asserts that the exponent is ever
increasing. That is not true. In fact, the draft says that it is not
true later on in the text where it asserts that the exponent (i.e.
the CAGR) is 1.58. That growth rate has been relatively constant for
years. I.e. the growth would be approximately flat at a value between
1.25 and 1.75 if the growth were plotted as a semi-log plot with
growth on the log scale and time on the linear scale.

The text asserts that there is a positive slope to the semi-log
plot. I have seen no date to support that case.

If the text said (instead): "...to efficiently support exponential
network bandwidth growth to support ever-increasing data
requirements." or you could say something like: "...to efficiently
support long term, exponential network bandwidth growth rates."


Either would be accurate.

Geoff

On 43//13 7:25 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote: David, My input on the
suggested wording that James and other has suggested.

The offending statement under consideration is "to efficiently
support ever-increasing, exponential network bandwidth growth
rates."

Essentially, my interpretation of the comments is to suggest to
remove either ever- increasing or exponential.  I disagree with these
comments per the explanation below.


*   "Ever-increasing" - this implies that this a continuing trend.
It is essentially putting a timing on  the growth rate, i.e. not a
recent trend, and from what I can tell based on the conversations I
am having, nothing that is going to change.


*   "exponential" describes the type of growth we are seeing.


*   Therefore, I believe applying both of these adjectives to the
sentence is appropriate and frankly provides more clarity than the
suggested rewording.

Perhaps someone has a better choice of words for "ever-increasing"
but I believe that the wording is appropriate for a press release.

John



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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

David

One comment.

Subhead says "ever-increasing, exponential bandwidth growth rates",
which sets my mind at ease, because I thought it might be ever
decreasing exponential bandwidth growth rates.  Does anyone ever say
"exponential growth rates" when the exponent is negative?

I would go with either  "exponentially-increasing bandwidth growth
rates", or "ever-increasing bandwidth growth rates" or "exponentially
bandwidth growth rates"

(Note: the same text in in the first paragraph)

James Gilb

On 03/02/2013 08:55 AM, Law, David wrote:
Dear EC members,

I hope that a IEEE 802.3 400Gb/s Ethernet Study Group will be
formed as a results of the IEEE 802.3 400Gb/s Ethernet Call for
Interest taking place during the upcoming March 2013 IEEE 802
plenary. Based on this, in consultation with the IEEE-SA PR agency,
the attached press release has been developed to announce the
formation.

I intend to seek IEEE 802 EC approval for the press release at the
closing IEEE 802 EC meeting on Friday 22nd March, contingent on
the approval to form the Study Group by the IEEE 802.3 Working
Group and the IEEE 802 EC. As you will see we are still seeking
supporting quotes, but as the core of the release has now been
drafted, in preparation for the vote, I would like to request
comments on the attached draft.

Thanks and best regards, David

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