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Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Ballot+++Request Number 2 for Document 18-13-0067-03 +Draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1-IEEE-03



Hi Mike,

 

IEEE 802 may not have written it into the ITU-R document, but it has been Ethernet in the First Mile since we started the project for Subscriber Access Networks in IEEE 802.3. That amendment was approved in 2005 so the term has been in IEEE 802 since a few years before that.

 

Regards,

Pat

 

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lynch
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:30 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Ballot+++Request Number 2 for Document 18-13-0067-03 +Draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1-IEEE-03

 

Geoff,

 

The term “first mile” wasn’t IEEE 802’s creation but a feature of the ITU-R document that was being responded to. Indeed we will try to “steer” them to a better way of stating things. However the intent of this contribution wasn’t to “correct” ITU-R (and possibly other SDO’s terminology) but to provide a further, but not final, response in regards to Question ITU-R 236/1

 

Best regards,

 

Mike

 

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mody, Apurva (US SSA)
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Ballot+++Request Number 2 for Document 18-13-0067-03 +Draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1-IEEE-03

 

Thanks Geoff,

I was not aware of this.

Makes more sense now.

Apurva

 

From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org]
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:09 PM
To: Mody, Apurva (US SSA)
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Howard Frazier
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Ballot+++Request Number 2 for Document 18-13-0067-03 +Draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1-IEEE-03

 

Apurva-

RE: Your comment:
> 3. Paragraph 6.2 - First Mile: I was under the impression that IEEE 802 can provide solutions
> for anywhere from First Mile to the Last mile.
> So I believe that placing various IEEE technologies under First Mile seems to be misplaced.

The existing published 802 standard for wired access technology is part of the Ethernet standard.
That project (P802.3ah) and the resulting clauses in the standard has always been known as:
    "Ethernet in the First Mile"
While industry terminology up to that point referred to access technology as the "last mile problem", the Working Group Chair made the assertion that from the customer point of view it was "The First Mile" (EFM) and that the project should be renamed to reflect that.  It has been known by that name ever since.

I am not personally aware of any other 802 standards that use the term "Last Mile" in their description.
I believe that 802 should unite under a single term.

Geoff Thompson



On 5/20/13 7:46 AM, Mody, Apurva (US SSA) wrote:

Michael,

 

A few comments on this Document before I approve.

 

1. We are branding IEEE 802.22 with the term Wi-FAR. So can you please add

IEEE 802.22 (Wi-FAR™) next to the various instances of IEEE 802.22 in the document.

 

- For example - Title of Table 4 on Page 11

- Paragraph 7 on Page 13.


3. Paragraph 6.2 - First Mile: I was under the impression that IEEE 802 can provide solutions for anywhere from First Mile to the Last mile. So I believe that placing various IEEE technologies under First Mile seems to be misplaced.


Thanks

Apurva

 

 

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lynch
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:34 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: +++10 Day EC Ballot+++Request Number 2 for Document 18-13-0067-03 +Draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1-IEEE-03

 

Dear EC,

 

During the May wireless interim meeting in Waikoloa 802.18 completed work on three documents, all of which will require a 10 day EC email ballot. The first two of the documents need to be balloted immediately while the third can be done after the first two. This email was sent to Paul to ask permission to begin the 10 day EC email ballot on the second document, “18-13-0067-03 - Draft 802 Comments on Question ITU-R 236/1. The document was approved in IEEE 802.18 by a vote of 7/0/1. Today Paul approved my conducting the EC ballot.

 

Please note that the document as approved by 802.18 was numbered 18-13-0067-01. However the chair made some necessary edits and formatting changes so the document now is 18-13-0067-03. The approval motion allows the chair to make necessary editorial and formatting changes. Also please note when you review this contribution that we only edited Attachment 1 to Annex 3 of the WP1A Chairman’s Report.

 

I have asked Paul to allow me to conduct a ten day EC email ballot to approve submitting IEEE 802’s latest comments (Doc. 18-13-0067-03) to ITU-R WP1A.

 

Paul’s response to my request is:

 

“I will authorize a 10 day EC email ballot, to be conducted by Mike Lynch, for the following motion.”

 

Motion:

 

“To approve, under OM Subclause 8.2, document 18-13-0067-03 subject to the early close provision of OM Subclause 4.1.2.."

 

Moved: Mike Lynch

 

Seconded: James Gilb

 

Link to the document:

 

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/13/18-13-0067-03-0000-draft-contribution-of-ieee-802-on-question-236-1.docx  

 

Comments must be submitted to the ITU-R by 16:00 UTC May 28, 2013.

 

The ballot will start May 18th and end on March 28th, 2013.

 

Once approved this document will be filed with the ITU-R by the IEEE SA ITU-R Liaison.

 

Regards,

 

Mike

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