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G’day Osama I disagree that these are necessarily signs of dominance. Rather, they are potentially signs that IEEE has ceased to be a forum where people want to have technical discussions. That is a different issue and deserves
discussion too. A fundamental question is why are people doing work in SIGs and not IEEE-SA? ·
Is it so they can be dominant or is it because they believe the SIGs offer environments that are better in some way(s) than IEEE-SA? ·
Is there something that IEEE-SA can do to make our forums more attractive to counter the SIGs? ·
Alternatively, should IEEE-SA accept the existence of the SIGs and rather focus on how we can integrate their output into our processes, while still maintaining our philosophy of openness and consensus? OA suggested sign of dominance>
When the discussion during the IEEE meeting dies down and debating technical issues is almost non existing. This is only a sign of dominance when any attempts to have technical discussions in IEEE-SA are suppressed. OA suggested sign of dominance>
When motions are passed with little resistance and the TG becomes a rubber stamp for things happening elsewhere Again this is only dominance when the people offering the “little resistance” are ignored. Andrew From: *** IEEE stds-802-11-cac List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-CAC@xxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Osama AboulMagd --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Chairs' Advisory Committee Reflector ---
Hi Adrian, I’d like to add two points: ·
When the discussion during the IEEE meeting dies down and debating technical issues is almost non existing. ·
When motions are passed with little resistance and the TG becomes a rubber stamp for things happening elsewhere. Regards; Osama. From: *** IEEE stds-802-11-cac List *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-CAC@xxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles) --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Chairs' Advisory Committee Reflector ---
G'day all I agree with many/most ideas as signs of "potential dominance" However, at least some of them are also signs that people are working together outside the IEEE-SA forum. Working together outside IEEE-SA is not necessarily the same as dominance and actually can be to the benefit of the IEEE-SA standards
development process. The key signs of dominance from my perspective are when: ·
People with well-argued ideas are ignored ·
People don’t explain their ideas fully and yet they are approved anyway Andrew -----Original Message----- --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Chairs' Advisory Committee Reflector --- Hi Adrian, I’d add: * members request that motions on technical topics be deferred “to consult with technical experts back home in their office” * motions are deferred to a later time slot (in which participants are noted to attend that have not been in the slot the original discussion took place) * members start calling / texting / skyping colleague to encourage them to attend a specific session / slot as a specific motion became know to occur in that slot * total number of votes (in the room) associated with the same affiliation is >= 25% of total votes. * LB comments submitted by different individuals are verbatim copies of each other May the forth be with you to finalize the list on time ;-) > On 17 Mar 2017, at 16:33, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Chairs' Advisory Committee
> Reflector --- Dear CAC members, > > Paul Nikolich asked me during the 802 task force meeting this week to provide criteria that can be used to determine that some kind of dominant or other bad behaviour might be taking place in a group. I have a deadline of 4th May. > Based on my own observations, I have put together this list: > > • A group of individuals appears to always vote the same way > • An individual makes a presentation and nobody pays any attention to them > • An individual make a presentation so poor that nobody could understand it, and there is no complaint or request for clarification > • There is a lot of work to do, but telecons are poorly attended or
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