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Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments



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Provided the change markup and editing instructions include non-color queues that identify it as an editor instruction.

Harry


On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Qi, Emily H <emily.h.qi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Yes. 
 
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:00 AM
To: STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments
 
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Hello All,
 
Should future published 802.11 amendments include color enhancement on change markup and editing instructions?
 
Let me know your preference: respond to this email with a YES or NO.
 
-Robert
 
 
From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:54 AM
To: Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments
 
Hi Robert,
 
Thanks!  I don't have any further comment. 
 
Regards,
Edward
 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:21 AM Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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I’m really looking for the editors opinions here without biasing it.
 
The prohibition against color is there so that we don’t disadvantage the color blind and to prevent loss of information when the draft is printed. These requirements still apply – there must be no loss of information when the draft is published or viewed on a monitor with accessibility contrast enabled. That would still be the case with these color enhancements:
Bold (thicker font) and Italics on editing instructions in addition to color.
Underline and strikethrough in addition to blue/red on change markup.
 
-Robert
 
 
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:51 AM
To: STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments
 
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Diane is eager to do the work – she suggested we go in this direction. 😊
 
IEEE SA is in favor of this direction.
 
-Robert
 
 
 
From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:49 AM
To: Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments
 
Hi Robert,
 
Thanks for your clarification - it may be a lot of work for Diane !!
 
Nevertheless, may I know if we (or SA?) are fine for non-black-and-white publications now?   In the past, we tried to keep all texts, figures, and tables to be black-and-white.
 
Regards,
Edward
 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:23 AM Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Edward,
 
This would be done by the publication editors.
 
We could discuss separately whether we do the same thing during draft development.
 
-Robert
 
From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:20 AM
To: Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] Using color in amendments
 
Hi Robert,
 
While the intention is good especially for the readers to read, it may create a lot of overhead to Editors who are preparing the draft as they need to keep changing colors when they insert, delete, or change texts. 
 
Regards,
Edward
 
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:16 AM Stacey, Robert <robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Hello Editors,
 
I’m soliciting input on the use of color in the published amendments. Essentially it would make published amendments look somewhat like the redline draft:
On “Change” instructions,
  • inserted text would be blue and underlined
  • deleted text would be red with strickthrough
Editing instructions would be a different color, too.
If printed in black and white, the amendment would look much like it does today, although the color might come out as a shade of gray.
 
See attached examples.
 
Other groups are using this. For consistency, we would start with the 11ax draft (1st amendment to 802.11-2020).
 
Let me know whether or not you are in favor.
 
Regards,
-Robert
 

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