Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] TGak Telecon Minutes Posted
Norm,
I understand your point, in the general case.
In this case, though, this isn't a subtle issue, and broad follow-on discussion is useful.
Dave,
Note that 802.11-2012 has already reduced any reference to WDS to some obscure bits of SDL, and a definition that it says is obsolete and on the way out. I am familiar with the discussions in the early days of 802.11 around all this, but ever since then, the idea has been fading away - from the Standard that is. I agree it is "vernacular," but for a non-standardized (and often non-interoperable) technique that is done in the field. That leaves us in a quandary about if/how much to worry about it in our ongoing discussions, both in TGak and ARC SC.
Donald,
Of particular interest to TGak, is that this method of AP-to-AP wireless connection (and, no, one of the APs does _not_ switch to being a non-AP STA to do this - it is truly a different mode) has a lot of the flavor of an 802 bridge. I think the concepts used by WDS have all been brought up in the TGak discussions, but a review to see if there's anything new/missed would be good.
Mark
----Original Message-----
From: Norman Finn (nfinn) [mailto:nfinn@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] TGak Telecon Minutes Posted
IMO, this is why minutes should not try to record conversations. Fewer post-facto arguments over facts and emphasis.
-- Norm
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] TGak Telecon Minutes Posted
>Hi David,
>
>I'll be happy to annotate the minutes to avoid anyone from being
>mislead. It was my impression that 802.11 did not specify in detail how
>to use WDS between APs.
>
>Thanks,
>Donald
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>
>On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:34 PM, David Bagby <David.Bagby@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Donald,
>> In looking at the minutes, I noticed this entry:
>>
>> "Comments: There is no such thing as a wireless AP-to-AP link in
>>802.11."
>>
>> There was not much context to the minutes entry, so I thought I'd
>> draw attention to the fact that there has been support for "wireless
>> AP-to-AP links" in .11 for a long time.
>>
>> Interested parties can look for "wireless distribution system" or "WDS".
>> The feature is widely available, for example it's a part of the
>>dd-wrt firmware that is popular for many .11 APs. Support in the
>>standard for this dates back to the early .11 days - it was part of
>>the design requirements for the "from DS" and "to DS" bits.
>>
>>
>> Dave Bagby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2013 12:11 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>>
>> Minutes of the 7 Jan 2013 TGak teleconference have been posted at
>>
>>https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/13/11-13-0052-00-00ak-11ak-telecon-
>>min
>>utes-20130107.docx
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Donald
>> =============================
>> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>> 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx
>>
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