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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] LLDP considerations for 802.11 (GLK)



Sorry for a bit of spamming for some…  Adding Adrian, Glenn and Donald, as we seem to have some split threads going on, and I just want everyone to be in the same loop.

 

Mark

 

From: Mark Hamilton [mailto:mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:56 AM
To: 'Philippe Klein'; STDS-802-11-TGAK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'John Messenger'; 'Tony Jeffree'
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] LLDP considerations for 802.11 (GLK)

 

All,

 

What I can find, upon a quick review of the 802.1AB-REV draft:

 

1.       NOTE 1, on page 22, clause 7.3, needs to be softened to say that 802.11 “only sometimes” (or words to that effect) supports Ethertypes natively.

2.       We could add more options (more bits) to the System Capabilities TLV, but I’m not sure if there is any need/value in doing that.  There is an entry for WLAN Access Point, as Philippe notes.  There is also already a bit for a MAC Bridge node.  So, for example, does it matter if a node is a non-AP GLK STA, or is it sufficient to say it is a non-AP MAC Bridge?  Likewise, is it sufficient to indicate a WLAN access point that is also a MAC Bridge, without need to specify further that it is GLK?  That is, is indicating wireless and GLK important?

3.       Annex C.2 shows an 802.11 frame format, and assumes LDP (and ToDS=0 and FromDS=0, which is not typical).  Again, the wording should be softened to note that EDP is an option, and perhaps we should use an example with ToDS or FromDS equal to 1.

 

I’m not familiar enough with LLDP to be able to answer the questions in #2 above, adequately.  Perhaps someone from the 802.1AB community can suggest guidance, and 802.11 experts can respond. 

 

Lastly, I’ll note a topic that is just starting discussion (and controversy) within 802.11, which is the question of whether an AP has a local MSAP at all.  Clearly, an AP has a management interface, but it can be (and is being) argued that this interface is not directly part of the 802.11 environment, but is instead a non-802.11 higher-layer entity that is co-located on the AP “device”.  If this view is followed, it may have impact on how Figure 6-4 in 802.1AB maps to an 802.11 AP, for example.  Note that this same concern applies to the PAE (the authenticator, that is) on an 802.11 AP, also, and that is still TBD, so the LLDP agent can probably be considered in that same discussion.

 

Philippe/others, please jump in if you think I’ve missed something in this quick review.

 

Mark

 

From: Philippe Klein [mailto:philippe@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:04 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGAK@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGAK] LLDP considerations for 802.11 (GLK)

 

Hi Don,

 

Please see the message below from the 802.1AB-Rev Editors.  Table 8-4—System capabilities (page 32) includes an entry for “WLAN Access Point” [4] and I guess a new entry for STA GLK will be needed as well.

(The discrimination between a GLK and non-GLK capable AP could probably be done by querying the referenced 802.11 MIB isn’t ? )

 

Could you please have a look and contact either John or Tony ?

 

Thank you /Philippe

 

 

From: John Messenger [mailto:jmessenger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:46 PM
To: Philippe Klein; Adrian.p.stephens@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: Glenn Parsons (glenn.parsons@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: LLDP considerations for 802.11

 

Hi,

 

Could you alert the 802.11 people to the existence of the 802.1AB-Rev project? There is text in 802.1AB which refers to outdated names for 802.11 architectural components.  This would be an opportunity to modernise these and potentially add entries for newer 802.11 components.  Please see http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/private/ab-rev-drafts/d0/802-1ab-rev-d0-1.pdf

 

Regards,

                -- John

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