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Hi Chris,
I hear you and I appreciate your comment in making sure that the task
group is not lagging behind the timeline we have agreed in the
November plenary, i.e., to complete comment resolution of the
remaining CIDs for D2.0 and consider a motion in moving forward for a
recirculation ballot for D3.0. As a side remark, one of the main
reasons we revise the timeline is because our amendment can only be
published after the publication of the REVmd amendment.
I would like to clarify that what I mean new does not mean a new topic
outside the scope of aY. Based on my reading on 18/2094 that has been
uploaded on mentor, it is within the scope of the PAR. While we have
not seen the proposed draft text 18/2095 yet, I believe the author
would like to consider adding text to an Annex on this topic.
Per my call for agenda items sent on November 28, technical
presentation is within the scope for the teleconference calls
(http://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgay/msg00676.html). It
is not out of order.
Nevertheless, the task group determines the agenda. I will provide a
draft of the agenda for consideration by the group and we can have a
further discussion prior to the approval of the agenda,
Regards,
Edward
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 2:00 PM Christopher Hansen <hansencj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> The chair has already said that he believes it is a new topic. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe this contribution is associated with a CID from the last letter ballot. Therefore, it is a new topic. Thus it is out of order.
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> Chris
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> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Cordeiro, Carlos <carlos.cordeiro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> I respectfully disagree with Chris. We have not even seen the material yet – how can we argue whether it is a new topic, whether it changes the spec, how much, whether it violates the PAR, etc.?
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>> We should not try and stop people from presenting.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Carlos.
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>> From: *** 802.11 TGay - NG60 - Next Generation 60 GHz *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Hansen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 9:53 AM
>> To: STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAY] Call for agenda items on the December 5th teleconference call
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>> Hi Edward,
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>> I respectfully disagree. Teleconferences are an inconvenience and should only be scheduled when necessary. The focus of the task group now is to get our draft in shape for sponsor ballot. Discussion of new technology that is not tied to a letter ballot comment, and probably not even within the scope of the PAR, is a distraction to the group and plainly out of order.
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>> As you mention, WLAN radar is a new topic. Therefore, the appropriate forum for this presentation would be the WNG Standing Committee, not a task group that is preparing a draft for sponsor ballot. If we want to open up 802.11ay to new technology at this stage, I would suggest that in the January session we allocate time for that discussion and that we allocate further time for a review of the impact on our timeline.
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>> This task group has already fallen behind schedule and has had to revise its timeline. I do not understand why we are discussing new features at this stage. It does not appear to be in the interest of the task group, the working group, or the IEEE Standards Association.
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>> Thanks.
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>> Chris
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>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:59 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Hi Chris,
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>> Thanks for your comment. While we the task group has a consensus that any comment resolution submission is of higher priority than the other contributions, there is no comment resolution document being scheduled for the call tomorrow.
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>> Alecs' contribution on WLAN radar is IMHO a new topic and it will take some time to discuss and decide whether to be included in the draft. I would allow him to present and the group can discuss on more details in future calls/meetings.
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>> Regards,
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>> Edward
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>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 11:22 AM George Calcev <George.Calcev@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>> Hi Edward,
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>> I second Carlos on this.
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>> Best,
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>> George
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>> From: *** 802.11 TGay - NG60 - Next Generation 60 GHz *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cordeiro, Carlos
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 10:18 AM
>> To: STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAY] Call for agenda items on the December 5th teleconference call
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>> If we have agenda time during the call, why not hear the presentation? It is not like we have comment resolution that will take the entire call.
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>> I have not seen the material, but I am definitely interested to see and hear the topic.
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>> Carlos.
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>> On Dec 4, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Christopher Hansen <hansencj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Hi Edward,
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>> Unless these contributions are addressing a resolution to a CID, I'd suggest we delay the presentation until after the task group has resolved all the CIDs and we are ready for the re-circulation ballot. We could schedule this presentation for a later slot in the January meeting.
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>> Thanks.
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>> Chris
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>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 7:15 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Hi Alecs,
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>> Acknowledged with thanks. Can you share with me the DCN and upload it to mentor (thanks in advance if it has already been uploaded).
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>> Talk to you tomorrow.
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>> Regards,
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>> Edward
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>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 10:05 AM Alecsander Eitan <eitana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>> Hi Edward,
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>> I would like to present a short presentation and some preliminary text about WLAN Radar.
>> Will need about 25min to present + discussion time.
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>> Thank you,
>> Alecs
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: *** 802.11 TGay - NG60 - Next Generation 60 GHz *** <STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Edward Au
>> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 7:15 PM
>> To: STDS-802-11-TGAY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGAY] Call for agenda items on the December 5th teleconference call
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>> Hello,
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>> We have a teleconference call scheduled from 10:00am ET to 11:30am ET on December 5 (Wednesday).
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>> Please let me know by 10:00am ET on December 4 if you plan to present
>> any comment resolution or technical presentation. If no request is
>> received, then the call will be cancelled.
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>> Regards,
>> Edward
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