Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

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Dear Junghoon,

I gave high priority to the basic operation of WUR. It seems to me your presentation proposes further optimization to the basic operation of WUR. The priority is not based on whether it passed motion or not. The agenda is approved by the task group so please bring the discussion when the group set the agenda.

Regards,

Minyoung

From: Junghoon Suh [mailto:Junghoon.Suh@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 11:00 PM
To: Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi,
Let me ask you a clarification question.
How many of the topics in Category A to C have already passed related motions?

If you find any topic from A to C for which we did not pass a motion, you have a discrimination on my contribution.
My contribution is related with the Evaluation Methodology Documentation r4 page 4 Section 2, for which we already passed a Straw-poll (or Motion I do not recall which one it is) in March meeting. This is what I want to say "consensus is reached".

Junghoon

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From:Park, Minyoung

To:Junghoon Suh,STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date:2017-05-05 01:28:53

Subject:RE: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi Junghoon,

Just to be clear on the task group process. The task group reaches consensus by passing a motion on a technical item. All the passed motions (i.e. technical consensus in TGba) are recorded in the TGba Spec Framework Document (1-17/575r0, to be confirmed with a motion). If there was no motion on a technical item or if the motion on the technical item failed, the task group has not reached consensus on the technical item.

Regards,

Minyoung

From: Junghoon Suh [mailto:Junghoon.Suh@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:28 PM
To: Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Sure, Minyoung
We can discuss further on Agenda, but I strongly suggest to place it in Category A.

The SNR for 20 MHz intra band interference is defined in Evaluation Methodology Documentation, which means we have a consensus on the multi sub-band scheduling case.

Thank you
Regards

Junghoon

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From:Park, Minyoung

To:Junghoon Suh,STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date:2017-05-04 21:15:57

Subject:RE: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi Junghoon,

I guess your answer is that the presentation is discussing a proposal on a multiple sub-band transmission in a 20MHz channel. I think this falls into Group F: Further Optimization since the task group hasn’t reached consensus on the basic operation mode of WUR, which is a single wake-up packet transmission in a 20 MHz channel.

We can have further discussion on this item when we set the agenda next week in Daejeon.

Regards,

Minyoung

From: Junghoon Suh [mailto:Junghoon.Suh@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:31 PM
To: Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi, Minyoung
The multiple sub-band scheduling was already proposed by Mediatek in January meeting.
This contribution is an interference analysis to accomodate such a proposal. This intra 20 MHz interference analysis is a part of the Evaluation Methodology Documentation.
And, I also do not have a Straw-poll this time.

Thank you
Regards

Junghoon

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From:Park, Minyoung

To:Junghoon Suh,STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date:2017-05-04 20:12:13

Subject:RE: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi Junghoon,

Does your presentation propose multiple sub-band transmission of wake-up packets in 20MHz? If yes, then Group F: Further Optimization should be the right group since it is proposing further improvement to the spectral efficiency of WUR operation.

Group A is for the presentations that show performance evaluation of the basic single wake-up packet transmission in 20 MHz channel with impairments. Does your presentation evaluate a single wake-up packet transmission in 20 MHz channel?

Regards,

Minyoung

From: Junghoon Suh [mailto:Junghoon.Suh@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:53 PM
To: Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hi, Minyoung

Could you place the following contribution to the category (A) PHY performance evaluation with impairments?

1. 11-17/697r0 Multi Sub-band Scheduling, Junghoon Suh (Huawei)

The contribution above is also about Sub-band Interference analysis under the RF impairments.

Both ACI across different 20 MHz band and the Intra 20 MHz band interference are listed in the evaluation methodology documentation.

I think the right place to put the contribution above is the Category (A).

Thank you

Regards

Junghoon

From: *** 802.11 TGba - WUR- Wake-up Radio Operation *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Park, Minyoung
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 12:28 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Dear TGba participants,

I have received 44 presentations for the May TGba F2F meeting so far and it is almost certain that we will not be able to review all the materials in the F2F. Therefore, I would like to suggest to group the presentations into similar topics and give higher priority to the topics discussing the basic/essential operation of WUR and try to reach consensus on those high priority topics during the F2F. The following list of topics and priorities is my initial attempt. Please let me know if you have any comments.

PHY presentations:

(A) PHY performance evaluation with impairments (highest priority)

1. 11/17-0662, “Simulated WUR Performance in Frequency Selective Channels”, Leif Wilhelmsson (Ericsson)

2. 11-17/656r0 WUR PHY performance study with phase noise and ACI, Shahrnaz Azizi (Intel)

(B) WUR signal waveform design (signal bandwidth, OOK modulation)

1. 11-17-0655-00-00ba-ook-signal-bandwidth-for-wur, Eunsung Park (LGE)

2. 11-17-0703r0 Bipolar Pulse Position Modulation, Shouxing Simon Qu (BlackBerry)

3. 11-17-0704r0 Multi-Carrier OOK with Bipolar Modulation, Shouxing Simon Qu (BlackBerry)

4. 11-17/696r0 Blank GI, Junghoon Suh (Huawei)

1. 11-17-0654-00-00ba-multiple-data-rates-for-wur, Eunsung Park (LGE)

2. 11-17/670 Data Rates and Coding, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

3. 11-17/0676r0: WUR Link Budget Follow-up: Data Rates, Rui Cao (Marvell)

4. 11-17/710r0 Data rate value for WUR, Ming Gan (Huawei)

(D) Preamble, packet format, and coexistence

1. 11-17/0647r0: WUR Legacy Preamble Format Design, Rui Cao (Marvell)

2. 11-17/659r0 On the Coexistence of 802.11ax and 802.11ba Signals Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

3. 11-17/675 WUR Coexistence and Packet Format, Bin Tian (Qualcomm)

4. 11-17-0679-00-00ba WUR packet format and preamble design, Jianhan Liu (Mediatek)

(F) Further optimizations (lowest priority)

1. 11-17/697r0 Multi Sub-band Scheduling, Junghoon Suh (Huawei)

MAC presentations:

(A) Basic unicast wake-up packet transmit/receive operation (highest priority)

1. SP: 11-17-0379-01-00ba-sfd-mac-proposal, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

2. 11-17-0630-00-00ba-SFD-Proposal-on-Retransmission, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

3. 11-17-0652-00-00ba Consideration of EDCA for WUR Signal, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

4. 11-17-0653-00-00ba Examples of Integrating WUR with Existing Power Save Protocol, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

5. 17/0685r0, Efficient WUR mode signaling, Lei Huang (Panasonic)

6. 11-17/695, WUR acknowledgement indication, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

(B) Basic WUR Beacon operation

1. SP: 11-17-0382/r0, WUR Reference Signal, Woojin Ahn (Wilus)

2. SP: 11-17/447, Synchronization with Low Power Antenna, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

3. 11-17/671 Considerations on WUR Synchronization, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

4. 11-17-0651-00-00ba Indication for WUR Duty Cycle, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

1. SP: 17/381, WUR MAC issues follow-up( for Straw Polls), Jeongki Kim, LG Electronics

2. 11-17-0658-00-00ba, Review of Multi-user Wakeup Schemes, Yong CHENG, Huawei Device

(D) Wake-up packet, information element format and content

1. SP: 11-17/387, Purpose Indication for WUR Packets, Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

2. 11-17/673 Encoding for Elements in WUR, James Lepp (BlackBerry)

3. 11-17/674 Additional Elements for WUR, James Lepp (BlackBerry)

4. 11-17-0681-00-00ba, WUR wake-signal update-follow up, Jianhan Liu (Mediatek)

5. 11-17/680 Content of WUP, Tianyu Wu, (Mediatek)

6. 11-17/642, Wake Up Frame Follow up, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

7. 11-17/641, Wake Up Frame Length, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

(E) Security

1. 11-17/0660, WUR Security Proposal, Yunbo Han, Huawei

2. 11-17/0411r0 consideration of WUR security, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

(F) Further optimizations (lowest priority)

1. SP: 11-17/437, BSS Management through WUR Wakeup Frame, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

2. SP: 11-17/68r1, AP discovery discussion, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

3. 11-17/657, AP re-discovery in WUR, Jeongki Kim, LG Electronics

4. 11-17/440, Inter-BSS Communication, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

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Motions (Thursday AM1):

1. 11-17/668 Motion on Manchester Coding, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

Task group documents:

1. 11/17-029r6 WUR Usage Model Document, Ross Yu (Huawei) – Monday AM2

2. 11/17-575r0 TGba Spec Framework Document, Po-Kai Huang (Intel) – Monday AM2

3. 11-17/188r?: Simulation scenarios evaluation methodology document, Shahrnaz Azizi (Intel)

Regards,

Minyoung

From: *** 802.11 TGba - WUR- Wake-up Radio Operation *** [mailto:STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Park, Minyoung
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 10:35 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Hello all,

Another revision of the presentation list below:

Straw-polls from the teleconference calls:

1. SP: 11-17-0379-01-00ba-sfd-mac-proposal, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

2. SP: 11-17-0380-00-00ba-wur-channel-switch, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

3. SP: 17/381, WUR MAC issues follow-up( for Straw Polls), Jeongki Kim, LG Electronics

4. SP: 11-17/387, Purpose Indication for WUR Packets, Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

5. SP: 11-17-0382/r0, WUR Reference Signal, Woojin Ahn (Wilus)

6. SP: 11-17/437, BSS Management through WUR Wakeup Frame, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

7. SP: 11-17/447, Synchronization with Low Power Antenna, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

8. SP: 11-17/68r1, AP discovery discussion, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

PHY presentations:

1. 11-17/659r0, On the Coexistence of 802.11ax and 802.11ba Signals, Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

2. 11-17-0654-00-00ba-multiple-data-rates-for-wur, Eunsung Park (LGE)

3. 11-17-0655-00-00ba-ook-signal-bandwidth-for-wur, Eunsung Park (LGE)

4. 11/17-0662, “Simulated WUR Performance in Frequency Selective Channels”, Leif Wilhelmsson (Ericsson)

5. 11-17/670 Data Rates and Coding, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

6. 11-17/656r0 WUR PHY performance study with phase noise and ACI, Minyoung Park/Shahrnaz Azizi (Intel)

7. 11-17/0676r0: WUR Link Budget Follow-up: Data Rates, Rui Cao (Marvell)

8. 11-17/0647r0: WUR Legacy Preamble Format Design, Rui Cao (Marvell)

9. 11-17/675 WUR Coexistence and Packet Format, Bin Tian (Qualcomm)

10. 11-17-0679-00-00ba WUR packet format and preamble design, Jianhan Liu (Mediatek)

11. 11-17/696r0 Blank GI, Junghoon Suh (Huawei)

12. 11-17/697r0 Multi Sub-band Scheduling, Junghoon Suh (Huawei)

13. 11-17-0703r0 Bipolar Pulse Position Modulation, Shouxing Simon Qu (BlackBerry)

14. 11-17-0704r0 Multi-Carrier OOK with Bipolar Modulation, Shouxing Simon Qu (BlackBerry)

MAC presentations:

1. 11-17-0658-00-00ba, Review of Multi-user Wakeup Schemes, Yong CHENG, Huawei Device

2. 11-17/0660, WUR Security Proposal, Yunbo Han, Huawei

3. 11-17-0630-00-00ba-SFD-Proposal-on-Retransmission, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

4. 17/657, AP re-discovery in WUR, Jeongki Kim, LG Electronics

5. 11-17/671 Considerations on WUR Synchronization, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

6. 11-17-0651-00-00ba Indication for WUR Duty Cycle, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

7. 11-17-0652-00-00ba Consideration of EDCA for WUR Signal, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

8. 11-17-0653-00-00ba Examples of Integrating WUR with Existing Power Save Protocol, Po-Kai Huang (Intel)

9. 11-17/673 Encoding for Elements in WUR, James Lepp (BlackBerry)

10. 11-17/674 Additional Elements for WUR, James Lepp (BlackBerry)

11. 11-17-0681-00-00ba, WUR wake-signal update-follow up, Jianhan Liu (Mediatek)

12. 11-17/680 Content of WUP, Tianyu Wu, (Mediatek)

13. 17/0685r0, Efficient WUR mode signaling, Lei Huang (Panasonic)

14. 11-17/642, Wake Up Frame Follow up, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

15. 11-17/641, Wake Up Frame Length, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

16. 11-17/695, WUR acknowledgement indication, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

17. 11-17/440, Inter-BSS Communication, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

18. 11-17/0411r0 consideration of WUR security, Kaiying Lv (ZTE)

Motions (Thursday AM1):

1. 11-17/668 Motion on Manchester Coding, Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm)

Task group documents:

1. 11/17-029r6 WUR Usage Model Document, Ross Yu (Huawei) – Monday AM2

2. 11/17-575r0 TGba Spec Framework Document, Po-Kai Huang (Intel) – Monday AM2

3. 11-17/188r?: Simulation scenarios evaluation methodology document, Shahrnaz Azizi (Intel)

Regards,

Minyoung

From: Park, Minyoung
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 8:29 PM
To: Park, Minyoung <minyoung.park@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Call for presentations for May TGba F2F meeting

Dear all,

The latest list of presentations below:

Straw-polls from the teleconference calls:

1. SP: 11-17-0379-01-00ba-sfd-mac-proposal, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

2. SP: 11-17-0380-00-00ba-wur-channel-switch, Suhwook Kim (LGE)

3. SP: 17/381, WUR MAC issues follow-up( for Straw Polls), Jeongki Kim, LG Electronics

4. SP: 11-17/387, Purpose Indication for WUR Packets, Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

5. SP: 11-17-0382/r0, WUR Reference Signal, Woojin Ahn (Wilus)

6. SP: 11-17/437, BSS Management through WUR Wakeup Frame, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

7. SP: 11-17/447, Synchronization with Low Power Antenna, Liwen Chu (Marvell)

PHY presentations:

1. 11-17/659r0 On the Coexistence of 802.11ax and 802.11ba Signals Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)