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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for contributions for TGba F2F at Hanoi, Vietnam



Hi Rojan,

I agree with Yunsong and you as well. I was planning to discuss in a group setting to see which one is preferred to handle the unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame. I think the .confirm primitive may make more sense. It for sure needs clarification.

I can add the PN related materials, as long as no one objects as a part of the CR.

Best regards,
Xiaofei Clement Wang • Principal Engineer • InterDigital
2 Huntington Quadrangle, Melville, NY, 11801 • T: +1 631-622-4028

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Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for contributions for TGba F2F at Hanoi, Vietnam
 

Hi Xiaofei,

 

Yunsong has a valid point regarding WUR Operation element missing in .indication if used for unsolicited responses. Either we should add it in .indication or we should clarify that .confirm is used for unsolicited responses and not .indication.

 

On a related note, WUR Mode Setup frames can also carry the WUR PN Update element. We missed it last time. If it is not too much trouble, can I request you to also add a WUR PN Update field in all four primitives (request, confirm, indication, response) with following suggested text:

 

Name: WUR PN UPdate

Type: WUR PN Update element

Valid range: One or more WUR PN Update elements as defined in 9.4.2.300 (WUR PN Update element)

Description: Provides information related to update of WUR PNs. The parameter is optionally present if dot11RSNAWURFrameProtectionActivated is true; otherwise not present.

 

Thank you.

 

Best Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Yunsong Yang <yunsongyang1@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 3:58 AM
To: Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for contributions for TGba F2F at Hanoi, Vietnam

 

Hi Xiaofei,

Receiving an unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame should be reported to the SME by using .confirm, but not .indication primitive, because the unsolicited WUR Mode Setup may contain the WUR Mode element and WUR Operation element. The .indication primitive doesn't contain the WUR Operation parameter and therefore can not be used for conveying the WUR Operation element received, unless we add one.

 

I will not be in Hanoi. I recommend that you discuss with the group to first determine which primitive should be used from semantics PoV before deciding on whether to add a WUR Operation parameter to the .indication primitive or not. I will be happy to follow this up via e-mail. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Yunsong Yang

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Yunsong,

 

Thank you for your review.

 

Originally I had “in response to a WUR Mode Setup frame transmitted by the STA, or that is an unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame.” But I deleted the last part before sending out because of the following reasoning:

From the reading of the .indication primitive, it seems that the unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame is handled there. For example, for the .indication primitive, it says

“6.3.122.4.3 When generated

This primitive is generated by the MLME when a WUR Mode Setup frame is received.

6.3.122.4.4 Effect of receipt

On receipt of this primitive, the SME should operate according to the procedure in 29.8.2 (WUR mode setup).”

In addition, for the .comfirm primitive it says it is a result of a .request primitive and therefore it is probably not for unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame. 

 

But I think it is very important that we use precise language for the MLME primitives to differentiate the various primitives.

 

I plan to discuss this issue during the F2F meeting since there seems to be some confusion about the unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame case.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

Xiaofei Clement Wang • Principal Engineer • InterDigital

2 Huntington Quadrangle, Melville, NY, 11801 • T: +1 631-622-4028

 

From: *** 802.11 TGba - WUR- Wake-up Radio Operation *** <STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Yunsong Yang
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 13:06
To: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBA] Call for contributions for TGba F2F at Hanoi, Vietnam

 

Hi Xiaofei,

Thank you for preparing this CR. I think we should ensure tnat the amended text also covers the case of receiving unsolicited WUR Mode Setup frame. Therefore, attached please see my comment and proposed modification on your text. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Yunsong Yang

 

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:12 AM Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Minyoung,

 

I have one contribution:

11-19/1539 CR for CID 3356         Xiaofei Wang (InterDigital)

 

 

Best regards,

 

Xiaofei Clement Wang • Principal Engineer • InterDigital

2 Huntington Quadrangle, Melville, NY, 11801 • T: +1 631-622-4028

 

From: Minyoung Park <mpark.ieee@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 18:00
To: STDS-802-11-TGBA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Yongho Seok <yongho.seok@xxxxxxxxx>; Alfred Aster <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx>; Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Suhwook Kim <suhwook.kim@xxxxxxx>; Xiaofei Wang <Xiaofei.Wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Leif Wilhelmsson R <leif.r.wilhelmsson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; Woojin Ahn <woojin.ahn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Call for contributions for TGba F2F at Hanoi, Vietnam

 

Dear all,

 

If you have contributions on the comment resolution, please send me the following information:

DCN, Title, Author (affiliation)

 

The following table shows the unresolved CIDs and assignees. Currently we have total 28 unresolved CIDs. If you see your name in the table, please make sure you prepare resolutions for the f2f meeting. If you cannot provide resolutions to the comments, please let me know so that we can reassign them to others you can resolve the comments.

 

Row Labels

Count of Assignee

Yongho

9

Woojin

4

Alfred

4

Steve

4

Po-Kai

2

Suhwook

2

Xiaofei

1

Leif

1

Minyoung

1

Grand Total

28

 

Regards,

Minyoung


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