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[STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 19 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

Hi,

 

Revision 19 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1]  adds the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC ad-hoc calls on May 11, 2020;

[2]  updates the text in sections 2.4.1 and 6.2 according to the passed straw polls. 


Regards,

Edward

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 6:51 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

 

Revision 18 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1]  adds the straw poll results of the MAC ad-hoc call on May 8, 2020;

[2]  updates the text in sections 6.2, and 6.6 according to the passed straw polls. 


Regards,

Edward

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 4:51 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello,

 

Revision 17 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1]  adds the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC calls on May 7, 2020;

[2]  updates the text in sections 2.4.1, 2.4.2, 6.2, and 6.7 according to the passed straw polls. 


Regards,

Edward

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:53 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello,

 

Revision 16 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1] updates the reference of Motion 71 to the contribution 19/1822r4.

[2] updates the reference of Motion 75 to the contribution 20/0117r1.

[3] replaces “GLK” with “GTK” in Section 1.

[4] updates the reference of Straw Poll #26 to the contribution 20/0024r3.

 

The first 3 changes are to make sure the approved materials in the Compendium of Motions are the same with those in the SFD (http://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00858.html).


Regards,

Edward

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:33 PM Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thank you Edward!

Appreciate your efforts.


Regards,
Abhi

 

From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:23 AM
To: Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 15 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

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Hi Abhi,

 

Thanks for your review.  Sure - I will replace 0024r2 with 0024r3 for straw poll #26 in both Section 6 and Section 13.    I've deleted the word "only" based on the meeting minutes but do not know from the minutes that you've posted revision 3 - sorry!  

Revision 16 will be posted in the next few days.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:02 PM Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Edward,

 

Thank you for your efforts.

 

Minor correction on pg 26:

For SP #26, the revision for doc 0024 should be r3.

We made live updates to the SP during the call (deleted only from the 1st bullet).

I have posted r3 with the updated SP text and the results.

 

Could you please help update the revision number when you get a chance?

 

Regards,
Abhi

 

From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:49 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 15 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

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Hello,

 

Revision 15 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1]  adds the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC calls on May 4, 2020;

[2] updates the text in sections 2.3.2.2, 2.5. and 6.4 according to the passed straw polls;

 

Regards,

Edward

 

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 1:14 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 14 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1]  adds the straw poll results of the joint call on April 30, 2020;

[2] updates the text in sections 9.3 and 9.5 according to the passed straw polls;

[3] adds unique tags “Straw poll #[Number]” and “#SP[Number]# for each of the outstanding passed straw polls since revision 9. 

 

Regards,

Edward

 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:21 PM <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Edward,

 

Thanks for R13. That was fast!

 

Regarding the placement of SPs in sections, all the Multi-link Block Ack related SPs (Page 23, Line 30 onwards) could be in a separate section (e.g. Multi-link Block Ack). Currently, they are all under 6.3 TID-to-link mapping.

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 12:08 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 13 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hello,

 

Revision 13 is posted:

 

This revision:

[1] adds the straw poll results on the request for candidate SFD texts;

[2] changes all highlight of all passed straw polls up to revision 8 from yellow to green.    

 

Regards,

Edward

 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:55 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

The 3 straw polls in Section 2.3.1 are essentially slight variants of the same poll.  Remove the first two and keep the third one as the PHY ad-hoc chairs' comment.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:53 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 11 is posted:

The update includes:
[1] the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC ad-hoc call on April 27, 2020, and

[2] potential text changes in sections 2.3.1, 2.3.2, 2.4.4, 2.4.5, 2.6, and 8.2 according to the passed straw polls.  

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 11:29 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 10 is posted:

The update includes:
[1] the straw poll results of the MAC ad-hoc call on April 26, 2020, and

[2] potential text changes in section 6,3 according to the passed straw polls.  

 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:13 PM Chen, Xiaogang C <xiaogang.c.chen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks Sigurd. 

Let's further discuss that.

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note10+, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

 

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Sigurd Schelstraete <sschelstraete@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 4/24/20 5:09 PM (GMT-08:00)

Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 9 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hi Xiaogang,

This was discussed in the context of channelization, so it would apply to an AP that sets up a BSS with that BW (i.e 160+80). I see your point and we can discuss it further. If we only allow 240 MHz or 160+80 MHz as reduced BW transmissions within a 320 MHz BSS, the point may be moot.

 

Regards,

 

Sigurd

 

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 9 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

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Hi Sigurd,

Can you clarify the definition of 160+80MHz BSS in the SP below? So far the 160+80 is defined as transmission.

I think we should wait till a 160+80 MHz BSS is defined. maybe we will not have this BSS configuration.

 

In 160+80 MHz BSS, should the 160 and 80 MHz be non-adjacent?

 

 

BRs,

Xiaogang.

 

From: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:16 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 9 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hello Sharan,

 

Acknowledged.  The update will be appeared in revision 10 after I incorporate the straw poll results of the MAC ad-hoc call today.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:00 PM Sharan Naribole <n.sharan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Edward,

 

Thanks for your effort! The correct version of DCN 226 is r5. I updated a word in this SP in r4 before running in yesterday’s call. I kindly request you to update document accordingly.

 

Do you support the addition of the following text to TGbe SFD?

·        A non-AP MLD may update its ability to perform simultaneous transmission and reception on a pair of setup links after multi-link setup.

o   This update for any pair of setup links can be announced by non-AP MLD on any enabled link.

NOTE – Specific signaling for update indication is TBD

NOTE - Limitations on dynamic updating is TBD

[20/0226r4 (MLO Constraint Indication and Operating Mode, Sharan Naribole, Samsung), SP#1, Y/N/A/No answer: 43/7/29/19]

 

Thanks,

Sharan

 

From: Edward Au [mailto:edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:13 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 9 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hello Alfred and all,

 

Revision 9 is posted:

 

The update includes:
[1] the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC ad-hoc calls on April 23, 2020, and

[2] potential text changes in sections 2.3.3, 2.4.3, and 6.2 according to the passed straw polls.  

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:32 PM Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks Edward for posting the revised version of the compendium document.

 

Best Regards,

 

Alfred

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:39 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 8 is posted at:

 

The update includes:
[1] the straw poll results of the PHY and MAC ad-hoc calls on April 20, 2020, and

[2] the results of two PHY-related straw polls conducted in the January 2020 interim meeting (http://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00778.html)

[3]  potential text changes in sections 2.4.1 and 2.5 according to the passed straw polls.    

 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 2:02 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 7 is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates the straw polls conducted in the April 17th MAC ad-hoc call and the potential changes to Section 6.5 of the SFD.   Note that there is no SP conducted in the April 16th Joint call.

 

Have a good weekend,

Edward

 

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:26 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

This revision changes the highlight of the passed straw polls from grey to yellow, and add an unique tag "SP" to each of the passed straw polls, according to page 41 of the agenda slide deck https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/20/11-20-0425-25-00be-2020-mar-may-tgbe-teleconference-agendas.docx. 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:30 PM Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks Edward.

 

From: Edward Au [mailto:edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 4:59 PM
To: Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Revision 5 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hi Wook Bong,

 

Thanks for your review on the draft meeting minutes and the document.

 

I've posted revision 5 that updates the SP#3 of 20/0020r3 and the potential change to section 2.4.3:

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:21 PM Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thanks Tianyu.

 

From: tianyu@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:tianyu@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:13 PM
To: Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>; Sigurd Schelstraete <sschelstraete@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 4 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hi Wook Bong, 

 

Nice catch, I will update the minutes. 

 

Thanks.

Tianyu

 

 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Hi Tianyu, Sigurd, and Edward,

 

Thank you for your effort.

There is one thing needs to be fixed.

During SP#7 in PHY, there was request to change “and” to “and/or” as in below discussion.

Can you update the SP text accordingly?

 

SP#7: SP3 from 0020r3

•       Do you agree that 11be STA can recognize the full preamble puncturing pattern it needs by using the BW field and puncturing information of U-SIG and EHT-SIG field in Multiple user transmission?

–      Details for how to convey the puncturing information is TBD.

 

 

Discussion for SP:

C: Comment to remove “full”. STA only need its own information not the full information of all STAs.

A: Ok. Updated SP text.  

C: Does it exclude any other options?

A: This is general concept. Other than U-SIG and EHT-SIG we do not have plan.

C: Does this also include SU?

A: No, only for MU. SU case already run.

C: Change and to “and/or”.

C: “11be STA” do you mean only intended 11be STA or any 11be STA that received the PPDU?

A: We don’t think we need to differentiate the cases here.

C: The question is if a STA don’t know where is the primary channel, can they find out the puncture pattern?

A: Need further discussion.

 

Best regards,

Wook Bong Lee

 

From: Edward Au [mailto:edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:53 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 4 // Re: Compendium of straw polls and potential changes to SFD posted (20/0566r0)

 

Hello,

 

Revision 4 is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates the straw polls conducted in the PHY ad-hoc on April 13.  Potential changes to sections 2.2.1, 2.4.2, 2.4.3 and 2.5 based on the passed straw polls are included.  Note that there is no straw poll in the MAC ad-hoc on April 13.

 

Regards,

Edward

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:14 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Revision 3 is posted at:

 

This latest version incorporates the straw polls conducted in the PHY ad-hoc on April 9.  There is no straw poll conducted during the MAC ad-hoc on April 9.   Potential changes to section 2.4.2 based on the passed straw polls are included.

 

Have a great weekend,

Edward

 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 5:22 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello all,

 

Revision 2 is posted at:

 

This latest version incorporates the straw polls conducted in the PHY ad-hoc on April 6.  There is no straw poll conducted during the MAC ad-hoc on April 6.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:45 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alfred and all,

 

Revision 1 is based that incorporates the straw poll results of the MAC ad-hoc call on March 30, and the joint call on April 2. Sections 6.5 and 9.4 are updated accordingly.

 

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:42 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Alfred and all,

 

I've posted an initial version of the document that summarizes all the straw poll results (between January 30 and March 30, except the MAC ad-hoc call on March 30), and potential changes to the latest version of the Specification Framework Document (19/1262r8):

 

 

Suggestions are welcome.

 

Regards,

Edward

 

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