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Hi Jay, Thanks for your comments. Let me try to answer to your comments in line below: If you have any follow up comments, please let me know. Best, Young Hoon From: Yang, Zhijie (NSB - CN/Shanghai) <zhijie.yang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Younghoon, Thanks for your presentation. I have two questions on the issue you described on slide4. I understand the AP MLD asynchronously re-transmit D3 and transmit D4 on link1 and link2 because of the missing of BA3 on link2. My question is:
[YK] I think you are talking about the problem statement shown in slide 4. The example shown in this slide is the case that the non-AP MLD on link2 didn’t receive D3 correctly such that
the non-AP MLD doesn’t send BA. Therefore, from the AP MLD on link2 perspective, right after finishing the transmission of D3, the channel becomes idle and there’s no PHY-RXSTART indication received after SIFS. In this case, if we follow the baseline rule,
the AP MLD on link2 can do PIFS recovery, however due to NSTR constraint, this is not a feasible solution for the non-AP MLD.
asynchronously transmission issue may also happened if the CCA time is different on both link even if the AP MLD got BA3 on link2 and decide to send the next data frame. In this case, I understand it not matter to BA3 missing. [YK] I’m not sure if I understand you correctly. This proposal handles the case that the AP MLD receives a BA on at least one link, and in this case the AP MLD performs CCA only on the link that BA was
not successfully received. So, there’s no case that the AP MLD performs CCA check on both links. Thanks Best Regards Jay Yang From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Younghoon, Thanks for the reply. Let me ask this way, to make sure I understand your proposal: Say the AP on the 2nd link obtains TXOP for 5ms and the second frame in the TXOP, ending at the 2ms mark, fails. In the baseline, the AP is allowed to transmit if CS is idle at the PIFS boundary; if it cannot transmit at the
PIFS boundary, it needs to perform a full contention. Your proposal is extending this and the
AP is allowed to transmit at any time without performing contention from 2ms to 5ms (if the transmission can complete within the TXOP) as long as the CCA is idle, is this right?
If this is right, what I am asking is: shouldn’t there be a maximum duration (e.g. within EIFS starting from 2ms), that the AP can do this? Do we really want to allow the AP to resume transmission without contention for the entire remainig
TXOP? Regards, Rojan From: Young Hoon Kwon <younghoon.kwon@xxxxxxx>
Hi Rojan and Yongho, Thank you very much for the discussion. But, I don’t think fairness is an issue for this case. Before this recovery mechanism involved, the AP MLD already obtained a TXOP. And, the TXOP owner’s error recovery shall be limited to the existing TXOP duration, which is the baseline error recovery rule (10.23.2.8). This implies that if the TBD time is longer, the AP MLD has less time to transmit for the follow up frames during the remaining TXOP duration. So, if the AP MLD can initiate a new TXOP after the TBD time, then I agree that there can be a fairness issue. However, as I mentioned here, this is not the case for this proposal. Hope this can answer for your concern. Thanks, Young Hoon From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Yongho, Thanks for the comment. The SP says “
… the AP MLD can continue its transmission on the link within the obtained TXOP
TBD (e.g., SIFS or PIFS) time after the failed reception of the immediate response if the channel is idle. “
My question was
how long can this TBD time be? If there is no maximum specified, that means the AP is allowed to transmit without performing full contention (IFS+backoff) for the whole TXOP; whereas a 3rd party non-AP STAs need to perform a full contention.
That’s what I meant by unfair to the non-AP STAs. Best Regards, Rojan From: Yongho Seok <yongho.seok@xxxxxxxxx>
Hi Rojan, The AP MLD is still listening to a primary channel on the link even though it failed to listen to any control response from the TXOP responder. In consequence, the AP MLD updates any physical and virtual CCA if it listens to any other transmission during the waiting time for synchronizing both links. When the AP MLD checks the CCA during the TBD time (e.g., PIFS or SIFS) for accessing the failed link, in such case the CCA may be busy. If the AP MLD can't listen to the failed link during the waiting time for synchronizing both links and tries to access the link just based on the ED during PIFS, I agree that it may have some problem like a collision. In the SP, the CCA mechanism on the link is TBD. I think that the CCA mechanism should consider the packet detection etc. It should not be just the ED based channel access. In this case, I couldn't understand what is
a fairness issue. Thanks, Yongho 2020년 6월 23일
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