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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

HI Rojan,

 

Good catch! Thanks for reviewing the doc. I had these numbers in octets and bits mixed at some point and I thought I converted them all to “Bits”... I’ll correct that and the BIGTK too.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 4:47 AM
To: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi Duncan,

 

Thanks for the revision. Quick comment on the MLO KDE format:

 

Should the length of the reserved field be (8 – k) instead of 1 – k since the unit is bits (and not octets)? I believe the intention is octet alignment?

 

Rest of the text look good to me.

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 2:53 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

 

Hi all,

 

R4 has been uploaded. Just some minor editorials and correction of the sizes of the fields in the new KDEs.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 4:03 PM
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Hi Guogang,

 

I can’t find the annotation but so far there is no concept of MLD-level RSNE. As such, we only have individual RSNE per link (reused like you said).

In my mind, the APs affiliated with the same AP MLD should advertise the same RSNE so the non-AP MLD can associate with the AP MLD consistently (identical security level and credentials) REGARDLESS of which link the Assoc occurs.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: huangguogang <huangguogang1@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 11:36 PM
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Hi Duncan,

 

I’m trying to understand the MLD-level RSNE and individual RSNE mentioned in your annotation in Page 7. What do you mean MLD-level RSNE? In my understanding, each AP affiliated with the AP MLD reuses the current RSNE. I don’t see what’s the problem. Could you explain it?

 

 

Regards

Guogang Hang

 

发件人: Rojan Chitrakar [mailto:rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

 

Hi Duncan,

 

While I think I understand your intentions, if I just read the text below (on page 16), since IGTK KDE and BIGTK KDE are explicitly mentioned, it doesn’t convey that the MLO KDEs are to be used for the other links. I would think it is good to explicitly specify the MLO KDEs where necessary to avoid confusions.

 

…, the IGTK KDE of each setup link, and if beacon protection is enabled, the BIGTK KDE(#2116) for each setup link,

 

Also, format of the MLO KDEs are defined but their usage is not referenced anywhere else in your PDT, so it is not clear where they are used.

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:59 AM
To: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

 

Hi Rojan,

 

Thanks for the comments. I corrected the 1st one. Re the second one, my thought is the AP MLD is still carrying the actual GTK/IGTK/BIGTK values of each link, just carried in different KDEs i.e., the regular “GTK KDE” is used on the link where the 4way handshake is performed and the “MLO GTK KDE” is used for the other links. Similarly for IGTK and BIGTK.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:38 AM
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Hi Duncan,

 

Two additional comments:

 

Page 14:

The LinkID field contains the link identifier that corresponds to the link this GTK applies.

The KeyRSC field contains the Key RSC field that corresponds to the STAlink for which this GTK applies (see Table 12-8 (Key RSC field).

 

Page 16:

—          For generating a single PTK between a non-AP MLD associated with an AP MLD, the AP’s Beacon/Probe Response frame’s RSNE for the current operating band, and, optionally, a second RSNE that is the Authenticator’s pairwise cipher suite assignment for the current operating band, and, if a group cipher has been negotiated, the GTK and the GTK’s key identifier (see 12.7.2 (EAPOL-Key frames)) of each setup link (see (see 33.3.2 (Multi-link (re)setup procedure), and if management frame protection is negotiated, the IGTK KDE of each setup link, and if beacon protection is enabled, the BIGTK KDE(#2116) for each setup link, and when this message 3 is part of a fast BSS transition initial mobility domain association or an association started through the FT protocol, the PMKR1Name calculated according to the procedures of 12.7.1.6.4 (PMK-R1) in the (#2205)PMKID List field of the RSNE and the FTE with the same contents as in the (Re)Association Response frame, the MDE with the same contents as in the (Re)Association Response frame, the reassociation deadline timeout set to the minimum of dot11FTReassociationDeadline and the key lifetime in the TIE[ReassociationDeadline], and the PTK lifetime in the TIE[KeyLifetime]

 

I think the highlighted sentences should say the newly defined MLO … KDEs and not GTK/IGTK/BIGTK KDE right?

 

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:39 AM
To: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

 

Hi Rojan,

 

Thanks a lot for reviewing the doc in details! Really appreciate it.

 

I’ve accepted/addressed all your comments (attached) but please let me know if I’ve missed anything or you have further comments.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: Rojan Chitrakar <rojan.chitrakar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:08 PM
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Hi Duncan,

 

Thanks for preparing the PDT. Attached please find my comments.

 

Regards,

Rojan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] PDT-MLO-Setup-Security

 

Hi Alfred,

 

Could you please help me queue this to the Agenda of the MAC calls?

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

From: Duncan Ho <dho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:57 PM
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Hi MLO-Setup-Security TTT members, and all,

 

I’ve uploaded 1445r0 here. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.

 

Thanks,

Duncan

 

 

From: Kaiying Lu <Kaiying.Lu@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 2:34 PM
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Hi Soft-AP TTT members,

 

Thanks for volunteering for Soft-AP operation as TTT.

 

I uploaded 1407r0 on the server. Please review and comment.

 

Thanks,

Kaiying

 

From: 김상현 [mailto:shk0787@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 2020年9月6日 5:53
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 32 (note on the 3 recent new TTTs in case you're interested) - IEEE802.11be D0.1 Spec Text Writing: Volunteers Assignment

 

Hi Edward,

  

I would like to volunteer for the following topics as TTT 

  

* MLO-Multi-link channel access: STA ID

* Enhanced multi-link operation mode

* Soft AP MLD operation

 

Best Regards, 

Sanghyun Kim

 

Sanghyun Kim, Ph.D
WILUS Inc.
5th Fl., 216 Hwangsaeul-ro Bundang-gu,
Seongnam-si Gyeonggi-do 13595, Korea
T +82 31 712 0523
www.wilusgroup.com

 

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From: "Edward Au"<edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Cc:
Sent: 2020-09-06 (일) 01:23:40 (GMT+09:00)
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Revision 32 (note on the 3 recent new TTTs in case you're interested) - IEEE802.11be D0.1 Spec Text Writing: Volunteers Assignment
 

Hello,

 

Revision 32 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1] an addition of another new TTT, 

[2] updated status of selected PDT texts

 

NOTE - the 3 recent new TTTs are

 

MAC

MLO-Multi-link channel access: STA ID

Yongho Seok

 

R1

Uploaded:

 

Presented:

 

Straw Polled:

 

Motion #122, #SP160

Motion #122, #SP161

MAC

Enhanced multi-link operation mode

Young Hoon Kwon

Duncan Ho, Xiandong Dong

R1

Uploaded:

 

Presented:

 

Straw Polled:

 

Motion #124, #SP187

MAC

 

Soft AP MLD operation

Kaiying Lu

Jinjing Jiang

R1

Uploaded:

 

Presented:

 

Straw Polled:

 

Motion #125

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:44 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 31 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1] an addition of a new TTT, 

[2] an update on the name of an existing TTT, 

[3] an update on the status of select PDT texts, and 

[4] inclusion of new motions for selected TTTs.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 1:45 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 30 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1]  additional TTTs, and

[2]  the confirmation on R1/R2 on selected TTTs     

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 29 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 9:45am ET today (September 3).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:58 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 28 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1]  additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 12:50pm ET today (September 2),

[2]  presentation and approval status of selected PDT texts up to the MAC ad-hoc call today, and

[3]  update on the list of motions of a few TTTs.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:20 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 27 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1]  additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 12:15pm ET today (September 1),

[2]  presentation and approval status of selected PDT texts,

[3]  additional TTT volunteer assignments, and 

[4]  update on the list of motions of a few TTTs.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 5:19 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 26 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1] additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 5:15pm ET today (August 31), and

[2]  presentation status of PDT texts.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 4:11 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 25 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1] additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 4:00pm ET today (August 28), and

[2] additional approved motions to a few TTTs.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:44 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 24 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes 

[1] additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 10:30pm ET today (August 28), 

[2] additional TTT assignments, 

[3] additional approved motions to a few TTTs, and

[4] presentation status of PDT texts.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 23 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 10:15am ET today (August 28).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 6:42 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 22 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 6:40pm ET today (August 27).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 9:54 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 21 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 9:45am ET today (August 27).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:49 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 20 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 9:45am ET today (August 26).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:23 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 19 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes additional text submissions that have been uploaded to the mentor till 11:15pm ET today (August 25).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 11:17 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello,

 

Revision 18 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This version includes the 15 PDT text submissions and 4 visio files that have been uploaded to the mentor since the last revision.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 9:23 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 17 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 6:00pm ET today (August 23).   I've also added a column about the status of the PDT text(s) per topic.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:32 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 16 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs we have discussed during the Joint call today (August 20).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:45 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 15 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 11:40am ET today (August 19).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:38 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 14 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 11:30am ET on August 14 (today).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 3:28 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 13 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 3:15pm ET on August 9 (today).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:18 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 12 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 4:00pm ET on August 6 (today).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:23 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 11 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 9:15am ET on August 5.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 9:49 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 10 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 9:30am ET on August 1.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 8 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

This revision incorporates all the inputs I have received till 19:45 ET today (July 29).

 

Regards,
Edward

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:06 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 7 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/20/11-20-0997-07-00be-tgbe-spec-text-volunteers-and-status.docx

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:29 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

Revision 6 of the volunteers assignment is posted at:

 

Per our WG chair's message on July 20,  if you are a POC on a particular topic, please send an e-mail to Alfred and me with a list of motions that are expected to be covered by that topic (some of them already include this information as provided by respective POCs).

 

Regards,

Edward

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:26 PM Alfred Asterjadhi <asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Hello all,

 

A revised version of the document is uploaded with POCs for topics narrowed down to one (unless requested to be ON HOLD). I narrowed down the POCs for certain rows for which I did not see any e-mail or conclusion. Please take a look at the document and let me know if anything is missing.

 

Also, if you are a POC on a particular topic, please send an e-mail to Edward and me with a list of motions that are expected to be covered by that topic (some of them already include this information as provided by respective POCs).

 

Best Regards,

 

Alfred

 

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