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Hi Ron, Thanks. Sure for #1. I will update the draft. For the second one, can non-AP assume no need to further meet the puncturing mask when there is no puncturing information in Beacon? In other words, AP will ensure it, e.g. by assigning MCS 7 or higher? Can we capture that kind of requirement for AP? Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Ron Porat [mailto:ron.porat@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Hi Wook bong, In regards to #1 let’s hear on the call what people prefer and go with that. In regards to #2 the AP may do any puncturing it wants based on the spec but what we are defining is what the non-AP STA will be required to meet when transmitting
a TB PPDU. Thanks, Ron From: Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Ron, Thanks for the suggestion. Regarding number 1, I think epsilon – 2 seems too tight. Original proposal was epsilon + 1, allowing leakage from both side. As others commented, we can live
with epsilon, i.e. EVM. In this case, the non-contiguous one becomes same as larger block requirement, e.g. 2x996+484 requirement is same as 3x996. Regarding number 2, I am fine with static one. In this case, we don’t allow AP to perform dynamic puncturing for TB PPDU? Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Ron Porat [mailto:ron.porat@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Hi Wook bong, That rule is an unnecessary constraint/requirement. My thinking based on the discussion is that we need a two-fold solution which seems natural based on 11ax
design and puncturing mask we adopted in 11be: 1.
Use option 3 for unused tone error EVM at a fixed level of max(epsilon-2,-38) in the hole of a non-contiguous MRU.
2.
In addition to #1 – non-AP STA needs to meet the punctured mask we already defined in 36.3.19.1.2 for any RU/MRU (this one has nothing to do with non-contiguous MRU) based on static puncturing, meaning
applied only for the subband signaled in the beacon (that’s the only subband the STA knows is punctured) I assume only one punctured subband will be signaled in the beacon and will be limited to the non-ofdma puncturing patterns we defined in the spec (other cases STA doesn’t implement).
Thanks, Ron From: Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Jianhan, That is only if we don’t allow non-AP STA to transmit higher than MCS 7 power level. If that is what members wants, then we need to make a rule like
E.g. when allocates non-contiguous MRU, AP STA shall assume an non-AP STA uses transmit power less than the maximum power of EHT-MCS 7. Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Jianhan Liu [mailto:Jianhan.Liu@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
-29 to -38 dB is always more tighter than -20 to -25dBr (puncture mask), right?
Then puncture mask becomes less useful then if puncture cases cannot be always identified.
Thanks, Jianhan From: Wook Bong Lee [mailto:wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Hi Jianhan and Ron, Punctured mask: -20 to -25dBr Max(EVM – 2,-38): -15 to -38 dB depending on modulation level If we only allow power level less than or equal to the maximum power of EHT-MCS 7, then
Max(EVM – 2,-38): -29 to -38 dB. Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Jianhan Liu [mailto:Jianhan.Liu@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Hi All, For epsilon-2 in option 3, in which cases that the unused tone mask is tighter than punctured mask? Thanks, Jianhan From: Ron Porat [mailto:000009a0da80e877-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Hi Wook bong, Xiaogang, For the regular unused tone mask we could go with epsilon-2 in option 3 to make it tighter and that should be sufficient to expand the 11ax style requirement
to non-contiguous MRU. If on top of that we want to add some new requirement based on section 36.3.19.1.2 we need to be a bit more careful and discuss it separately. Since the STA
is not in control (unlike SU) and doesn’t know if and where there is a disallowed subchannel we may want to limit it to only a subchannel conveyed in the beacon (static puncturing) and further decouple the requirement from the M-RU size (e.g. case 3 therein). Thanks, Ron From: Chen, Xiaogang C <xiaogang.c.chen@xxxxxxxxx>
Thanks Wook Bong to initiate this. One thing to consider is regulatory may not differentiate puncture and unallocated. They only differentiate adjacent and non-adjacent subchannel. Given that, regarding the unused EVM of the frequency portion of the “hole”, fully rely on
e or
e-2 may violate the regulatory requirement (for low MCS) if the interpretation of the unused “hole” is just “non-adjacent”.
So IMO puncture mask is safer for the “hole”. BRs, Xiaogang. From: Wook Bong Lee <wookbong.lee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi all, Thanks for discussion today. Please give your opinion on 11-21/639r1,
Proposed Resolution of Remaining TBDs in 36.3.19.4.4 and 36.3.20.3, Wook Bong Lee (Samsung) Please focus on change #3. PHY group accepted change #1, 2 and 4 today. Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Wook Bong Lee
Hi Alfred, Sigurd and Tianyu, Can you please add following in the PHY queue? 11-21/639, Proposed Resolution of Remaining TBDs in 36.3.19.4.4 and 36.3.20.3, Wook Bong Lee (Samsung) I will upload today or next Monday morning. Best regards, Wook Bong Lee From: Alfred Asterjadhi [mailto:asterjadhi@xxxxxxxxx]
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