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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 11-21/0683 | CID 2215

Hi, Stephane:

The development of this text is inline with a few things taken into consideration:
1) the motion introduced the TBD rules to quiet intervals usage on a few concerns. One is that it creates unfairness to legacy STAs. Maybe Qi can chime to comment more on this.
2) the rule for rTWT supporting ETH STA is that it will stop its txop to go across the boundary of rTWT SP, and as such, it doesn't need to obey such overlapping quiet intervals to stay quiet during the quiet interval. This is in the motion as well.
3) the rule for rTWT non-supporting EHT STA is that they can ignore such overlapping quiet intervals. Of course, as you pointed out, the EHT STA would have to parse both rTWT SP info and quiet intervals to know the nature/intention of quiet interval. This is also agreed per motion.

The effort in this proposed CR is to limit the part that the quiet interval's effect on legacy STA vs on EHT STA, which reflects the input we collected from those active motion contributors and commenters, is to limit the quiet interval duration to its minimum, that is, 1 TU.

I agree the NAV protection should be exercised by rTWT STAs similar to the TWT protection field as defined in the individual TWT case. This, even without definition, can be done by rTWT scheduling AP/scheduled STA and they have incentive to do so. This'll be in the part of the general channel access rule if wish to be spelled explicitly, however, but not this TBD scope. The CR does capture the commenter's input and agreement and we think it's proper to think this draft text also served as its resolution.

Thanks.
Chunyu



On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 9:42 AM BARON Stephane <Stephane.BARON@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Payam,

 

Thank you for preparing the resolution of the CID2215.

As far as I understand, the proposed resolution is to remove the exception authorizing the EHT STA to ignore the quiet elements that are dedicated to the protection of the rTWT.

But the last sentence of the document you propose (683r0) mentions the contrary :  “Non-AP EHT STAs may behave as if such overlapping quiet intervals do not exist.”

So I don’t see how the proposed text solves the fairness issue raised by the CID between legacy and EHT stations.

 

More generally, I think the spirit of your resolution goes against the idea that the support of the low latency feature is optional for the EHT STA.

At least the EHT STA will have to decode and store the information of all the quiet elements that will be put in place to protect recurrent rTWT periods.

Despite legacy stations, EHT station cannot ignore that a lot of quiet elements can be present and shall then be able to support it.

 

I think that to solve the problem of fairness raised by the CID2215, we should rather think to an optional mechanism put in place or not by the AP (depending on the type of stations associated to it) to reserve the medium in a way that will be fair for both legacy and EHT STAs.

I think the best solution would be to rely on NAV protection that can easily be put in place by  an AP reserving the medium prior the start of the rTWT period.

 

Let me know you opinion.

 

Best regards.

 

Stéphane.

 

 

From: Payam Torab <torab@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: jeudi 22 avril 2021 17:08
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] 11-21/0683 | CID 2215

 

Hi Alfred,

Could you please add 11-21/0683 to the comment resolution agenda. This submission attempts to resolve a TBD. Targeted CID per title.

 

 

Hello all,

This is a contribution to expand TBD rules for scheduling quiet intervals to protect restricted TWT SPs, and also announcing them. Your comments much appreciated.

 

Regards,
Payam

 

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0683-00-00be-restricted-twt-quiet-interval-tbd-cr.docx

 

 

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