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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability



Hi Youhan, Xiaogang and Steve,

 

Do we need to mention whether a device is supporting extra LTF or not?

Can we just have how many LTFs it can process for SU?

If it is matching with its Nss value, then the device is not supporting extra LTF.

 

Best regards,

Wook Bong Lee

 

From: Steve Shellhammer [mailto:sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

Youhan and Xiaogang,

 

                Xiaogang, thanks for bringing up this point.

 

                If B0 is zero, then Extra LTFs are not supported. So setting B3-B4 to 0, which is used to indicate a max of 4 LTFs, is not correct.

 

                I agree with Youhan, that making those bit Reserved is correct.

 

                If we do that, the B3-B4 does not have any impact on the number of supported LTFs, which I believe fixes the issue brought up by Xiaogang.

 

                Xiaogang, do you agree that making them reserved solves this issue?

 

Regards,

Steve

 

From: Youhan Kim <youhank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

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How about “If B0 is set to 0 then B3 and B4 are both reserved”?

 

Thanks.

Youhan

 

From: Chen, Xiaogang C <xiaogang.c.chen@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:36 AM
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Sorry Steve, one more question regarding the B3B4 setting. If non-AP STA doesn’t support extra LTF, the text below means it can only support up to 4 LTF in sounding / MUMIMO and OFDMA? e.g. If AP has 8 antennas this STA can even not be fully sounded because it only receive up to 4 LTF (B0 = 0)? If that’s the correct understanding, I think we need to decouple B0 and B3,B4.

 

If B0 is set to 0 then B3 and B4 are both set to 0.

 

 

BRs,

Xiaogang.

 

From: Chen, Xiaogang C <xiaogang.c.chen@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

Hi Steve,

Regarding the text below, if a non-AP STA is capable of receive 2 SS and don’t support extra LTF reception (B0 = 0), then B1B2 set to 0 means it can still receive 4 LTF in single user transmission. So AP can still transmit 4 LTF where 2 out of the 4 LTF are extra. I guess it’s not a correct interpretation right?

 

If B0 is set to 0 then B1 and B2 are both set to 0.

 

 

BRs,

Xiaogang.

 

From: Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

Ross,

 

                You bring up a good point.  I have revised the document (now 755r1), and dropped the text on “non-OFDMA” in the description of bits B3-B4.

 

                Thanks for reminding me of that motion.

 

Regards,

Steve

 

From: Yujian (Ross Yu) <ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:51 PM
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Subject: 答复: EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

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Hi Steve,

 

Then how about the OFDMA case?

 

We have the following motion:

The allowed values of maximum NLTF receive capability for multiple-user transmission are 4, 8, and 16.

  • NOTE 1 – This capability is for both OFDMA and non-OFDMA MU-MIMO transmission. 
  • NOTE 2 – The value of maximum NLTF = 16 is available in R2.

[Motion 141, #SP261, [3] and [52]]

 

 

 

regards

于健 Ross Jian Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Steve Shellhammer [mailto:sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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主题: RE: EHT PHY Agenda Item - PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

Hi Ross,

 

                It is my understanding that this Extra LTF PHY Capability is for the non-OFDMA mode. As you can see B0 indicates support for this feature, where it is clear that it is for the non-OFDMA case.  That is why we are providing clarifying text.

 

                The main point of the edits is to clarify this is a receiver capability, which was unclear in the original text.

 

                I hope this addresses your comment.

 

Regards,

Steve

 

From: Yujian (Ross Yu) <ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:33 PM
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Hi Steve,

 

B3-B4 previously covers OFDMA case, which is the case in 11ax. For OFDMA case, it indicates 8 or same as Beamformee NSTS capability.

 

regards

于健 Ross Jian Yu

Huawei Technologies

 

发件人: Steve Shellhammer [mailto:sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
发送时间: 202151 7:42
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主题: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] EHT PHY Agenda Item

 

Alfred, Sigurd, and Tianyu,

 

                Please add the following PDT to the PHY Agenda,

 

·         Doc 11-21/755r0, PDT Clarification Extra LTF PHY Capability

 

Thanks,

Steve

 


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