Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Discussion on 'STA' vs 'non-AP STA' affiliated wi

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Hi Abhi,

I support to specifically call out the form.

For me, this is important because “STA” in the baseline are often used when it applies to both AP and non-AP STAs. If we are talking about “non-AP MLD”, then the affiliated STA is “non-AP STA”.

I will also provide another experience that I have during 11ax days.

11ax introduces Trigger frame and Trigger frame can only be sent by AP and triggered non-AP STA. For this specific technical reason, we call out AP/non-AP STA in basically all the places to clarify this confusion rather than just using “STA” and using the fact that we only have Trigger frame sent from AP to take care of this.

Best,

Po-Kai

From: M Montemurro <montemurro.michael@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:11 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBE] Discussion on 'STA' vs 'non-AP STA' affiliated with a non-AP MLD

Hi Abhi,

Thanks. For MLO according to the state machines defined in clause 11.3, connectivity state is established between a non-AP MLD and an AP MLD. These entities communicate over links

between an affiliated STA and affiliated AP. Yes this phraseology is used throughout TGbe but I'd like those commenting on the ambiguity to review the draft and call out

specific locations where the meaning is ambiguous. Perhaps we could address those areas where the context isn't clear.

Thanks,

Mike

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 1:00 PM Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi All,

I’d like to follow up on the topic we discussed during today’s TGbe MAC call (‘STA’ vs ‘non-AP STA’).

There were different opinions on the topic. I personally like explicitly calling out “non-AP STA affiliated with a non-AP MLD”. I know it is a bit lengthy but it align with the definition of a non-AP MLD and avoid any ambiguity (as pointed out by the two comments).

“non-access point (non-AP) multi-link device (MLD): An MLD, where each station (STA) affiliated with the MLD is a non-AP STA.”

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Gaurav Patwardhan

35.3.2.1

406.01

"A STA" and "A non-AP STA" is used interchangeably many times during Clause 35. Need to replace all the relevant occurences of "A STA" with "A non-AP STA". Commenting on this particular line as a placeholder.

as in comment

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Graham Smith

35.3.2.1

406.38

I see many instances of "STA affilicted with a non-AP MLD". Is this really also for an AP with a non-AP MLD? Just checking. Should it be" non-AP STA affiliated with a non-AP MLD"?

Just check if this is for both a "non AP STA affililiated with a non-AP MLD" AND a "AP affililiated with a non-AP MLD"?

I’d like to hear more thoughts on this item and hopefully conclude before the next TGbe MAC call (Monday 15^th Aug) so that we can resolve the two comments during that call.

Regards,
Abhi

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