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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Announcement: Motions for TGbf on August 17

Hi Dongguk,

 

Thank you for proposing those motions. I have a few questions about these Motions. I was not able to attend the meeting when you presented 11-21/1015r2. I would apologize if they have been answered during the meeting.  

 

Regarding Motion 1:

1)      Is this motion for trigger or non-trigger based operation or both?

2)      In the Note of this motion, you have “This procedure can be applied to pre-HE STAs (i.e. not limited to HE/EHT STAs)”. Is your intention to reuse the NDPA frame and NDP for pre-HE STAs in the proposed measurement procedure?  Also, since there is no NDPA frame defined in 11n, how this procedure can be achieved?

3)      Could you explain what “validate the STA(s) participation” in the last sub-bullet means? In other words, what needs to be validated?

 

Regarding Motion 2:

4)      Can transmission of NDP from HE STAs be triggered?  I believe there is not such a triggering procedure in the 11ax standard.

5)      The procedure proposed in this motion is similar to implicit sounding, which is not covered in your contribution (11-21/1015r2). Could you confirm?

 

Best regards,

Ray

 

From: Dongguk Lim <dongguk.lim@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 4:15 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Announcement: Motions for TGbf on August 17

 

Hi Solomon,

 

Thanks for your suggestion.

It looks good to me.

I'll modify the motion text as per your suggestion to remove the unclear things

best regards,

 

Dongguk

 

From: Solomon Trainin [mailto:strainin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 4:24 PM
To: dongguk.lim@xxxxxxx; STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Announcement: Motions for TGbf on August 17

 

Hi Dongguk,

I suggest modifying as follows

      • The transmitter(s) shall transmit an NDP SIFS after receiving the Trigger frame.

otherwise, the difference between NDPA and TF flows is unclear

 

Best  regards,

Solomon Trainin

+972547885738

 

From: Dongguk Lim <dongguk.lim@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 5:08 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Announcement: Motions for TGbf on August 17

 

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization.

Hi Tony,

 

I’d like to run the two motions based on the passed SPs( SP#2(Results: 28Y/1N/9A) and SP#3(Results: 29Y/0N/7A)) in 11-21/1015r2

 

Please add the following Two motions to the TBbf agenda

 

Motion 1

  • Move to add the following to 11bf SFD:
    • 11bf supports an NDPA/NDP-based measurement procedure in which:
      • The measurement is initiated by an NDP Announcement frame.
      • The transmitter shall transmit an NDP SIFS after the NDP Announcement frame.
      • The detailed definition of the NDP Announcement frame is TBD.
      • The process to validate the STA(s) participation is TBD
    • Note : This procedure can be applied to pre-HE STAs (i.e. not limited to HE/EHT STAs)

 

Motion 2

  • Move to add the following to 11bf SFD
    •  11bf supports an Trigger/NDP-based measurement procedure in which:
      • A Trigger frame is used to solicit the NDP transmission(s).  
      • The transmitter(s) shall transmit an NDP SIFS after the Trigger frame.
      • The detailed definition of the Trigger frame is TBD.
    • Note : This procedure is for HE/EHT STAs. Supporting other STAs are TBD.

 

best regards,

Dongguk.

 

 

From: Hanxiao (Tony, WT Lab) [mailto:tony.hanxiao@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 5:54 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBF] Announcement: Motions for TGbf on August 17

 

Hello all,

This is an advanced notification that TGbf will run motions during the teleconference scheduled on

l  August 17   (Tuesday), 10am - 12:00pm ET

 

Please refer to the document linked below for a preliminary list of all the motions (starting from slide 47)  that will be run during the conference call:

              https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/20/11-20-1874-16-00bf-tgbf-motions-list.pptx

 

 

Best Regards : )

Tony Xiao Han

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