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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] 802.11 TGbh agenda for Mar 3 - NOTE TIME! Analysis of results.



Hey, thanks both. The top 4 proposals in either of your rankings seem the same, and they all have the property of displaying some form of "popularity rift" (it's either MUCH preferred or NOT REALLY preferred).

I don't know if it's worthwhile spending 10min collecting feedback or presenting thoughts about how to deal with that?

best regards,

Amelia

On 2022-03-02 23:28, Mark Hamilton wrote:

Thanks, Graham.

No objections to also considering your approach, but …

I know the number of votes cast varied, which is why I used percentages and not absolute numbers.  I think that removes the difference (in my opinion).

The problem I have with the “assign points” method, is that, for example, something that gets a bunch of High votes gets a very high score, so a lone/few Low votes has very little relative effect.  But, something that gets a lot of Low votes is dramatically changed by a lone/few High votes.

However, I’ll note that it is interesting how tight a grouping you got for those “top 5” (compared to the other 4) with your method.  Interesting…

Mark

*From:* G Smith <gsmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2022 3:21 PM
*To:* mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx; STDS-802-11-TGBH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBH] 802.11 TGbh agenda for Mar 3 - NOTE TIME! Analysis of results.

The problem with the method(s) for the analysis in 22/0405 is that the total numbers cast varies. Also, using the Low priority as a metric, strikes me as negative.

I would suggest a much simpler and clearer, positive, method is:

3 points for Hi , and 2 Points for Med

Or

2 points for Hi, and 1 point for Med

Then we get following:

Scheme

	

Name

	

Hi

	

Med

	

3 Hi 2 Med

	

2 Hi, 1 Med

	

Ranking

1

	

Signature Based

	

2

	

7

	

20

	

11

	

7

2

	

IRMA

	

4

	

8

	

28

	

16

	

6

3

	

Client ID

	

6

	

8

	

34

	

20

	

4

4

	

Transient STA ID

	

3

	

4

	

17

	

10

	

8

5

	

Secure Device ID

	

1

	

2

	

7

	

4

	

9

6

	

Opaque device ID

	

8

	

5

	

34

	

21

	

3

7

	

STA Generated Device ID

	

7

	

7

	

35

	

21

	

2

8

	

MAAD

	

8

	

6

	

36

	

22

	

1

9

	

Network Generated device ID

	

9

	

3

	

33

	

21

	

4

I would suggest from this that we could legitimately down select to effectively 4 solutions (similar to Mark’s result but I would suggest clearer to justify):

MAAD,

Opaque/Network Gen ID (NOTE:  I think they can be considered the same, or if not they should be)

STA Generated ID

Client ID

2 are STA generated IDs, and 2 are AP generated IDs.

Just my observation,

Graham

*From:* Mark Hamilton [mailto:mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:mark.hamilton2152@xxxxxxxxx>]
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2022 4:36 PM
*To:* STDS-802-11-TGBH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [STDS-802-11-TGBH] 802.11 TGbh agenda for Mar 3 - NOTE TIME!

All

A reminder that there is an 802.11 TGbh teleconference scheduled for Thursday, Mar 3, at _17:00 ET.___

I have posted a proposed agenda, here: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0406-00-00bh-agenda-tgbh-2022-march-3.pptx <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mentor.ieee.org_802.11_dcn_22_11-2D22-2D0406-2D00-2D00bh-2Dagenda-2Dtgbh-2D2022-2Dmarch-2D3.pptx&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Z3s2jA8rgZoSco8f4kvDx_nOirz2RA_bah_KFKOseb8&m=TDMUSTPDUjIUZnFQjm2MbsS-dSK8uSFCJH5LPE6XeDQ&s=iK3JDWcv_dK0uFFU0J9SJfkiFwnOMcV962uc_qfcs7I&e=>

Note that I have also posted an attempt at some analysis of our straw poll results from the Feb 22 teleconference, here: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/22/11-22-0405-01-00bh-solutions-straw-polls-analysis.pptx <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mentor.ieee.org_802.11_dcn_22_11-2D22-2D0405-2D01-2D00bh-2Dsolutions-2Dstraw-2Dpolls-2Danalysis.pptx&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Z3s2jA8rgZoSco8f4kvDx_nOirz2RA_bah_KFKOseb8&m=TDMUSTPDUjIUZnFQjm2MbsS-dSK8uSFCJH5LPE6XeDQ&s=-mUZhXQC33F5p0jnvpRPV-p1hCGoIceHLt49QB8rANY&e=>. I am open to other thoughts on how we can analyze these results, or choose a way forward.

Thanks.  Mark

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