For BPE FA, an AP affiliated with an AP MLD shall set the Address 1 field value of a group addressed frame
to:
— OTAGroupAddress = (group address[2:47] + EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset) mod 246,
if the group address is other than the broadcast address
— OTAGroupAddress = broadcast address, if the group address is the broadcast address
where group_address is 46 bits of the group address excluding the
local/global and individual/group bits and where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_ Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
Hello Jerome,
where group address consists of bits [2:47] of the address
46 bits of the group address excluding(leaving the local/global and individual/group bits unchanged)definitely suggests that bits 0 and 1 are left in!
Still think group_address[2:47] is unambiguous and hence preferable.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Jerome Henry <jhenry@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2026 15:25
To: STDS-802-11-TGBI <STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi Mark,
What about:
For BPE FA, an AP affiliated with an AP MLD shall set the Address 1 field value of a group addressed frame to:
— OTAGroupAddress = (group address + EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset) mod 246, if the group address is other than the broadcast address
— OTAGroupAddress = broadcast address, if the group address is the broadcast address
where group address consists of bits [2:47] of the address
46 bits of the group address excluding(leaving the local/global and individual/group bits unchanged) and where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
Jerome
---- On Tue, 06 Jan 2026 16:21:38 -0500 Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote ---
Hi Mark,
I will reassign the CIDs to the relevant technical expert.
Thanks for the consideration.
Really just want to make sure that I do not screw up.
Best,
Po-Kai
From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:19 PM
To: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hello Po-Kai,
> For your proposed change, the confusion I have is that you use [2:47] specifically rather than [47:2], and I am not sure if that is a technical difference.
[47:2] is not allowed. This is explicitly covered in Subclause 1.4:
A[b:c] is the bit string consisting of bits b to c of A, where bit 0 of the output is the value of bit b. This operator is not used in this standard with b larger than c.
> I mean if you want to insist on your way of wording, then I probably will just reassign the comment to relevant technical expert rather than handling it as editor so the relevant technical expert can evaluate your proposal.
That's fine by me.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2026 19:32
To: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi Mark,
The description says is “46 bits of XXX”, so group_address_46 itself is 46 bits. I am also not sure why this is not clear to you.
where group_address_46 is 46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits and
where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_
Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
For your proposed change, the confusion I have is that you use [2:47] specifically rather than [47:2], and I am not sure if that is a technical difference. I am just choosing the way that I personally think will be strictly editorial since the comment is originally an editorial comment.
I mean if you want to insist on your way of wording, then I probably will just reassign the comment to relevant technical expert rather than handling it as editor so the relevant technical expert can evaluate your proposal.
Best,
Po-Kai
From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 8:57 AM
To: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
It doesn't say "46 bits" it says "46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits".
So it is ambiguous as to what happens to the other 2 bits.
I don't understand why you're resistant to using maths and prefer to
use words, but if the wording stays word-based I intend to put in a
comment in 11bi/D4.0.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2026 16:47
To: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi Mark,
The description says 46 bits. See below. Hence, it is not mask to 0, which will still give you 48 bits if I understand your concern.
where group_address_46 is 46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits and
where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_
Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
Best,
Po-Kai
From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 8:40 AM
To: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hello Po-Kai,
As I said, this has potential for confusion. Does "excluding xxx bits"mean "set them to 0" or does it mean "shift down by 2"? Using maths
has no ambiguity, because the operator is explicitly defined:
A[b:c] is the bit string consisting of bits b to c of A, where bit 0 of the output is the value of bit b
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2026 16:35
To: STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi Mark,
There is a separate _expression_ that describes that it is 46 bits and local/global and individual/group bits are excluded. I think that addresses the confusion.
where group_address_46 is 46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits and
where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_
Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
In any case, given the multiple email exchange, I will now take CID 3072 out of the document and this CID will be reviewed using separate presentation.
For your another question, it is not part of the CID, so I will let technical expert who introduces the original language answers your question.
Best,
Po-Kai
From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 8:13 AM
To: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
To avoid no end of possible interop issues with confusion about endianness
and about whether the address is shifted down by 2 bits or just has 2 bits
masked out, etc. can I suggest use of the A[b:c] operator defined in
Subclause 1.4 instead? Are we saying:
— OTAGroupAddress = (group_address[2:47] + EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset) mod 246, if
the group address is other than the broadcast address
Also, what does "single" mean in
EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_
Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
?
Thanks,
Mark
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Samsung Cambridge Solution Centre Tel: +44 1223 434600
1 Cambridge Square, Cambridge CB4 0AE Fax: +44 1223 434601
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From: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2026 15:49
To: STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi Michael,
I think I get what you mean.
One option to revise is then the following yellow. Will this work?
For BPE FA, an AP affiliated with an AP MLD shall set the Address 1 field value of a group addressed
frame to:
— OTAGroupAddress = (group_address_46 + EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset) mod 246, if
the group address is other than the broadcast address
— OTAGroupAddress = broadcast address, if the group address is the broadcast address
where group_address_46 is 46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits and
where EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_Offset is the single EPP_Group_Address_Anonymization_
Offset value extracted from the BPE MHA parameter set.
Best,
Po-Kai
From: M.Grigat@xxxxxxxxxx <M.Grigat@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 4:38 AM
To: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AW: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Dear Po-Kai,
I have one comment for rejected CID 3072. Is the text description clear if the term “group address” is used twice in the sentence for different content/length of the address?
“where group address is 46 bits of the group address excluding the local/global and individual/group bits”
BR Michael
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Von: Huang, Po-kai <po-kai.huang@xxxxxxxxx>
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Dezember 2025 20:46
An: STDS-802-11-TGBI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [STDS-802-11-TGBI] Review of some LB292 editorial comments
Hi all,
Please see the link below for the document that addresses 39 editorial CIDs (document 25/2338).
I have considered the resolutions of these editorial comments as simple editorial revision.
The intention is to review this document through reflector rather than reviewing them one by one during presentation. Please take a look and let me know if you have further comments. If you think certain comments should be reviewed through presentation, please also let me know, and I will remove them from the document.
Thanks in advance for the review.
Best,
Po-Kai
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