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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] CC50/CR for P-EDCA



Hi Dmitry, inline again.

 

发件人: Akhmetov, Dmitry <Dmitry.Akhmetov@xxxxxxxxx>
发送时间: 2025418 0:09
收件人: 罗朝明(Chaoming Luo) <luochaoming@xxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: RE: CC50/CR for P-EDCA

 

Hi Chaoming,

Please see below

 

 

From: 罗朝明(Chaoming Luo) <luochaoming@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2025 2:32 AM
To: Akhmetov, Dmitry <Dmitry.Akhmetov@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: CC50/CR for P-EDCA

 

Hi Dmitry,

 

For 24/2007r6, I have questions on the following text:

A P-EDCA eligible STA that successfully (as defined in 10.23.2.2 EDCA Backoff procedure) delivered one or more pending MPDUs in a TXOP obtained using P-EDCA contention shall not use the P-EDCA mechanism until TBD conditions are satisfied and  EDCAF[VO] shall update the AIFSN, CWmin, and CWmax with the values in dot11EDCATable.

[cm] When does this EDCAF[VO] update occur? Does it occur when the TXOP ends, which means the STA always goes back to EDCA whenever it completes an P-EDCA TXOP?

[Akhmetov, Dmitry] Technically yes. In the case you are referring to, STA started P-EDCA, updated CW and AIFSN values with P-EDCA values, performed contention , initialized TXOP by sending RTS frame, get CTS back, transmitted data and received ack -> successful use of P-EDCA, data delivered. STA no longer need to use P-EDCA, it return back to the normal EDCA operations -> it update CW and AIFSN values with values from dot11EDCATable and invoke  new backoff as in 10.23.2.2.

 

For 25/0627r3, I dont agree with your resolution to CID 1778. In order to have the balance, I think we should let the STA to start MUEDCATimer[VO] if it has successfully obtained one or a limited number of TXOPs using P-EDCA contention.

[Akhmetov, Dmitry] I do not think MU EDCA is the right mechanism for that. MU EDCA was designed to compensate for the “unexpected” TXOP provided to the STA outside of STA’s own contention. In the case of P-EDCA STA obtained TXOP on its own. MU EDCA assume that AP will continue to use triggering mechanism to provide TXOPs to the  STA and for that STA “give up“ own freedom in terms of contention capabilities. With P-EDCA we cannot make such assumption.

[cm] As you said MU EDCA is a mechanism to “compensate”, which was considered from fairness perspective. In the case of P-EDCA, if a STA has obtained TXOP use P-EDCA, in the successive limited period, to be fair to other STAs, it should “give up” its own freedom of contention and let AP to use triggering to provide TXOPs.

 

BR,

Chaoming

发件人: Akhmetov, Dmitry <Dmitry.Akhmetov@xxxxxxxxx>
发送时间: 2025416 3:44
收件人: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
主题: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] CC50/CR for P-EDCA

 

Hello everyone,

 

I’ve uploaded r3 of the document that incorporates comments received during Monday MAC call.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-0627-03-00bn-cc50-cr-for-p-edca.docx

 

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments preferable by EOD of Thursday April 17th

 

Dmitry

 

 

From: Akhmetov, Dmitry
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 7:06 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: CC50/CR for P-EDCA

 

Hello everyone,

 

I’ve uploaded r1 version of CC50 resolution document for P-EDCA clause

Please review and let me know if you any comments.

 

The document is scheduled for presentation in Monday April 14th MAC call

 

Dmitry

 

 

From: Akhmetov, Dmitry
Sent: Monday, April 7, 2025 4:40 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: CC50/CR for P-EDCA

 

Dear all,

 

I uploaded two documents:

11-24-2007r6  - Latest revision of PDT for  P-EDCA

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/24/11-24-2007-06-00bn-pdt-mac-p-edca.docx

 

And

 

11-25-0627r0 – CC50 CR for the P-EDCA clause.

That document uses 2007r6 as a baseline.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/25/11-25-0627-00-00bn-cc50-cr-for-p-edca.docx

 

Please review and let me know if you have any question/comments.

 

Thanks,

Dmitry

 

 

 


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