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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request: 11-25-1934 -CR for MAPC fairness



Hi Dibakar,

Current spec text allows background and best effort traffic to use the shared TXOP, which is against the design principle for Co-TDMA to help low-lat traffic. So it doesn’t make sense to reject 6628 and 10376. If you still see split views and want to make progress, can you defer them for now?

Thanks,
Yanjun

On Dec 10, 2025, at 11:37 AM, Das, Dibakar <dibakar.das@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,
 
Based on the feedback, it seems there is strong preference not to make major changes to the CTDMA design. As such, would reject CID 6628, 10376.
 
Regarding CIDs that are asking for fairness rules for CBF, CSR (e.g., 10187),  if we compare with the rules we have for CTDMA, then CBF/CSR automatically satisfy the 33% proportional constraint on allocated time since the PPDUs transmitted by the two APs are aligned in time. We could add  the other part of CTDMA constraint that limits maximum allocated duration to min (VI TXOP limit, TXOP limit of the primary AC used to obtain that TXOP by sharing AP) if there is interest. Please let me know your thoughts.
 
 
Regards,
Dibakar
 
From: Samat Shabdanov <Samat.Shabdanov@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2025 5:01 PM
To: Das, Dibakar <dibakar.das@xxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: 11bn LB291 CR request: 11-25-1934 -CR for MAPC fairness 
 
Hello Dibakar,
 
I would like to provide a feedback on 11-25-1934 -CR for MAPC fairness, specifically on
 
  1. comment 6125:
  • a minor editorial suggestion, please consider using “just above” or “as described directly above”
 
  1. comments 6628 and 10376 :  
  • we have already a general rule in 11bn for coordinated AP(s) (i..e, AC_{shared_AP} >= primary AC)
that is flexible for coordinated AP(s) to follow without violating  EDCA requirements for the gained TXOP by coordinated APs.
Why to revisit now (when we already have 1.0draft)  the basic C-TDMA framework what members have discussed intensively at early stages of C-TDMA development and agreed upon in the past ?
                             C-TDMA is intended for LL traffic, and coordinated APs will prioritize AC VO/VI to serve during the shared portion of TXOP.
Ironically, the section on fairness  (Section 37.27) on which members spent a good amount of time was discussed/developed to support the current model (without additional rules/and constraints on coordinated APs).      
 
Thank you,
samat form mtk
 
From: Das, Dibakar <dibakar.das@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2025 11:27 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 
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Hi Alfred,
 
Please note that I have uploaded 1934r0 to the mentor. 
All members who are interested in that section please review.
 
Regards,
Dibakar
 
From: Das, Dibakar <dibakar.das@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2025 9:13 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 
Hi Alfred,
 
Please add the following CR documents to the MAC queue:
  • 11-25-1934 -CR for MAPC fairness – Technical (31 CIDs)
  • 11-25-1935- CR for SCS related text – Technical (34 CIDs)
 
 
Regards,
Dibakar
 
From: Arik Klein <0000177967a59511-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2025 1:09 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 
Hello Alfred,
 
Can you please help queue the following CR docs to the TGbn MAC agenda?
  • 11-25/1912 LB291 - CR for MAPC element - Editorials 1 (14 CIDs)
  • 11-25/1913 LB291 - CR for 37.15.1 MAPC common procedures - Editorials 2 (18 CIDs)
 
Regards,
Arik
 
From: Abhishek Patil <0000297b717f2a04-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 
יום ד 29 אוקטובר 2025 23:10
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 
Hi Alfred,
 
Can you please help queue the following CR docs to the TGbn MAC agenda?

11-25/1835 LB291: CR for CIDs assigned to Abhi - Part 4
11-25/1836 LB291: CR for CIDs assigned to Abhi - Part 5
 
Regards,
Abhi
 
 
From: Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2025 2:19 AM
To: Abhishek Patil <appatil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 11bn LB291 CR request
 
 
Hi Alfred,
 
Can you please help queue the following CR docs to the TGbn MAC agenda?

11-25/1826 LB291: CR for CIDs assigned to Abhi - Part 2
11-25/1834 LB291: CR for CIDs assigned to Abhi - Part 3
 
Regards,
Abhi
 
 
From: Abhishek Patil <0000297b717f2a04-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2025 2:03 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 

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Hi Alfred,
 
Can you please help queue the following CR doc to the TGbn MAC agenda?

11-25/1825 LB291: CR for CIDs assigned to Abhi - Part 1
 
Regards,
Abhi
 
From: wangkaidong (E) <00004ea939387e7b-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2025 1:53 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 

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Hello Alfred,
 
Please help add the CR document to the MAC queue. It resolves 1 CID. Thank you!
23-Oct-2025 ET 2025  1859      0     TGbn      11bn LB291 CR for CID 4983      Kaidong Wang (Huawei)
 
Best regards,
Kaidong Wang
 
From: Fang, Juan <juan.fang@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:36 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
Importance: High
 
Hi Alfred,
Please help to add following to the PHY queue, it has 8 CIDs.
 
22-Oct-2025 ET
2025
1837
1
TGbn
PHY-lb291-CIDs_subclause_38.3.15.12_ELR_SIG
intel
22-Oct-2025 18:29:52 ET
 
 
Thanks,
 
Juan
 
From: Gaurang Naik <0000305a2f8ce933-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 2:59 PM
To: 
STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 
Hi Alfred,
 
Pls add the following to the MAC queue. It resolves 15 CIDs.
 
17-Oct-2025 ET
2025
1820
0
TGbn
LB291: CR for CIDs on UHR Parameters Update element - part 1
Gaurang Naik (Qualcomm)
 
All, please let me know if you have any feedback.
 
Thanks
Gaurang

From: Gaurang Naik <gnaik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2025 12:09 PM
To: 
STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx <ross.yujian@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 11bn LB291 CR request
 
Hi Alfred, 
 
Please add the following CR document to the MAC queue. It resolves 23 CIDs.
 
2025
1816
0
TGbn
LB291: CR for CIDs on UHR Mode Change element - part 1
Gaurang Naik (Qualcomm)
 
Thanks
Gaurang

From: Yujian (Ross Yu) <00001792b51ef4ea-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2025 6:15 PM
To: 
STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] 11bn LB291 CR request
 

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Hi Alfred,
 
Please add the following CR documents into the queue, it contains 20 editorial CIDs.
 
regards
于健 Ross Jian Yu
Huawei Technologies

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