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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Request agenda time for 26/0031r3



Alfred and all,

 

I uploaded r3 of CR document 26/0031 based on comments I received. I have two CIDs in the document. One of them is related to group addressed BU delivery for PUO STAs, which triggered many comments during the first presentation.

 

I started a discussion thread on reflector and received few responses. Due to our tight schedule, I like to request agenda time for the updated document and hope we could make progress.

 

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0031-03-00bn-lb291-cr-for-miscellaneous-cids.docx

 

Best regards,

 

Hanqing

 

 

From: Hanqing Lou <00001af7734dda91-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2026 12:05 PM
To: STDS-802-11-TGBN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGBN] Soliciting comments on group addressed BU delivery for PUO STAs

 

Dear all,

 

I just presented CR document with group addressed BU delivery for PUO STAs: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/26/11-26-0031-02-00bn-lb291-cr-for-miscellaneous-cids.docx

 

I received several comments and questions during the presentation and would like to open a discussion. Based on our discussion, I intend to modify the CR document accordingly.

 

**Comment 1: No changes in AP’s behavior.**

 

I would like to highlight a key distinction between PUO and traditional power save or P2P operation. With PUO, there is no guarantee that the DTIM beacon will not overlap with a STA's PUO unavailable time. The same issue applies to DUO STAs as well. While this is not a straightforward problem to resolve, leaving it unaddressed means PUO/DUO STAs may occasionally miss DTIM beacons and the delivery of group addressed BUs.

 

**Comment 2: The AP shall buffer group addressed BUs for PUO STAs.**

 

I generally agree with this statement; however, there may be corner cases worth considering. For example, if there are no other power save STAs in the BSS — only a PUO STA — and the AP knows that the PUO STA's unavailable time overlaps with the next DTIM beacon, should the AP still buffer the group addressed BU?

 

**Comment 3: Buffered frames may be time sensitive.**

I agree with this comment — timely delivery of buffered frames is important. Therefore, we have added a recommendation for PUO STAs to listen for the DTIM beacon and the subsequent group addressed frame delivery. "PUO non-AP STAs should follow the rules defined in 11.2.3.7 (Receive operation for STAs in PS mode) for DTIM beacons and group addressed MPDUs delivery. (#5099)"

 

Please note that all changes in my CR are recommendations, intended to leave APs and non-AP STAs some flexibility in handling corner cases.

 

Best regards,

 

Hanqing

 


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