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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmd Teleconferences: May 25, June 1,15,22 10am Eastern, 2 hours; initial Agenda document posted

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Steven, Mark –

 

Since PAME-BI is used in the spec as a field (actually one bit), it was deemed undesirable to change the field name.  Hence, expanding it to Preassociation Message Exchange BSSID Independent does not seem to be a practical solution (especially in Figure 9-473 (Draft P802.11REVmd D1.0). 

 

Regarding the use of BI for beacon interval, there are 466 instances of “beacon interval” in the specification and 103 instances of “beacon intervals”.  While shortening these to BI or BIs would compress the specification some, I don’t think it is significant compression.  When we discussed these changes on the TGmd call it was decided to simply expand the few uses of “BI” to be “beacon interval” and to rename the awake BI and doze BI to be A-BI and D-BI.  This approach removes the use of BI as a standalone abbreviation and provides specification consistency with minimal changes. 

 

This said if you feel strongly that we should introduce BI as an abbreviation for beacon interval, I guess we could make the change – though it would require significantly more changes to the specification.

 

Regards,

Joseph

 

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmd Teleconferences: May 25, June 1,15,22 10am Eastern, 2 hours; initial Agenda document posted

 

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Mark,

        since "PAME-BI" was introduced by the IEEE 802.11u work, I'm certainly content to remove the acronym

and expand it in all cases, per your 2nd suggestion.

 

Kind regards

 

Stephen

 

On 22 June 2018 at 08:20, Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> comments on the proposed changes

 

I do appreciate the effort, but I think that since "PAME-BI" is an

obscure part of the spec, while "BI"s are a fundamental part of the

spec, we should not be messing with the latter for the sake of the

former.  Hence I would not do all the "BI" -> "beacon interval"

expansion, or the "awake BI" -> "A-BI" stuff, or the "BI" -> "bi"

stuff.  Rather, I would add "BI" as an abbreviation and:

 

- Either change "PAME-BI" to "PAMEBI" (3x)

 

- Or don't abbreviate at all.  In F9-472 call the field

"Preassociation Message Exchange BSSID Independent".  In 9.4.2.92

delete the " (PAME-BI)".  In 11.23.3.2.5 change "PAME-BI"

to "Preassociation Message Exchange BSSID Independent"

 

Also:

 

- "the time duration of the beacon interval" seems more than a little

verbose.  I think "the beacon interval" is sufficient, since the

term is defined as a time interval

 

- I find "beacon interval units" confusing, because it might

be understood as the units for BIs, namely TUs.  It might be better

to word as "units of a beacon interval"

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmd Teleconferences: May 25, June 1,15,22 10am Eastern, 2 hours; initial Agenda document posted

 

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I have uploaded a document to address CID 1268: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1081-00-000m-proposed-resolution-for-cid-1268.docx

 

It is a long document, but since there have been offline discussions on it and it is basically editorial, I should be able to get through it in the 5 min. allocated, unless there are questions or comments on the proposed changes.

 

Regards,

Joseph

 

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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] TGmd Teleconferences: May 25, June 1,15,22 10am Eastern, 2 hours; initial Agenda document posted

 

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All,

 

An updated  agenda for the Friday, June 22nd TGmd teleconference is posted, see
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/18/11-18-1007-05-000m-tgmd-2018-may-june-teleconference-agendas.docx .

 

The proposed comment resolution and discussion topics are:

a.       Matthew FISCHER – 11-17-1192 ESP comment resolution (30 mins)

b.      Carlos CORDEIRO – DMG CIDs 18/889 CIDs 1318, 1320 (10 mins)

c.       Joseph LEVY – CID 1268 (5 mins)

d.      Sean COFFEY – 11-18-1048 (30 mins)

e.       Additional 11ah items – 45 mins (document to be posted)

 

We will be using the joinme: http://www.ieee802.org/11/joinme.html .

 

Thanks,

 

Dorothy


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Dorothy Stanley
IEEE 802.11 WG Chair, dstanley@xxxxxxxx
Hewlett Packard Enterprise
dorothy.stanley@xxxxxxx
dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx
+1 630-363-1389

 

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 2:04 AM, Dorothy Stanley <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All,

 

We will be using the joinme: http://www.ieee802.org/11/joinme.html .

Proposed comment resolution topics for the June 15th teleconference are below and will be adjusted as needed on the call:

 

a.       Guido HIERTZ – 11-18-810, CID 1195 (40 mins)

b.      Robert STACEY – 11-18-702 (40 mins)

a.       Update: Yujin NOH – 11-18-710 (10 mins)- CID 1139 and possibly 1013

b.      Ganesh VENKATESAN – 11-18-885 (15 mins)

 

Thanks,

 

Dorothy


----------------------
Dorothy Stanley
IEEE 802.11 WG Chair, dstanley@xxxxxxxx
Hewlett Packard Enterprise
dorothy.stanley@xxxxxxx
dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx
+1 630-363-1389

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Dorothy Stanley <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All,

 

 

The next TGmd teleconference will be June 15th, 2018 10am Eastern; the current proposed comment resolution topics are below.

 

Thanks,

 

Dorothy

 

2018-06-15

a.      Guido HIERTZ – 11-18-810, CID 1195 (40 mins)

b.      Robert STACEY – 11-18-702 (40 mins)

a.      Update: Yujin NOH – 11-18-710 (10 mins)- CID 1139 and possibly 1013

b.      Emily QI – 11-18-1043 CID 1486 (10 mins)

c.      Ganesh VENKATESAN – 11-18-885 (15 mins)

 


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Dorothy Stanley
IEEE 802.11 WG Chair, dstanley@xxxxxxxx
Hewlett Packard Enterprise
dorothy.stanley@xxxxxxx
dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx
+1 630-363-1389

 

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Dorothy Stanley <dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All,

 

The draft agendas for the recently authorized TGmd teleconferences on May 25th, June 1st, June 15th and June 22nd 2018

 

The teleconferences are at 10am Eastern for 2 hours, and we will use the join.me bridge:

 https://join.me/ieee802.11, see http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/11/joinme.html for more detailed instructions.

An initial proposed running order for comment resolution/presentation is replicated below.

Let me know of any requested changes or additions.

 

Thanks,

 

Dorothy

=================================

 

       2018-05-25

a.       Youhan KIM – CID 1374 (10 mins)

b.      Sigurd S 11-18-701 CIDs 1359 (10 mins)

c.       Roger MARKS – CID 1533 (10 mins)

d.      Guido HIERTZ – 11-18-810, CID 1195 (45 mins)

e.      Mike MONTEMURRO - PHY CIDs 1552, 1324, 1264, 1188, 1004, 1552 (40 mins)

       2018-06-01

a.       Yujin NOH – 11-18-709 (45 mins)

b.      Ganesh VENKATESAN – 11-18-885 (15 mins)

c.       Carlos CORDEIRO – DMG CIDs 18/889 (45 mins)

 

       2018-06-15

a.       Matthew FISCHER – 11-17-1192 ESP comment resolution (75 mins)

b.      Mike MONTEMURRO - 11-18-1899 (40 mins)

       2018-06-22

a.       Robert STACEY – 11-18-702

b.       

 

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Dorothy Stanley
IEEE 802.11 WG Chair, dstanley@xxxxxxxx
Hewlett Packard Enterprise
dorothy.stanley@xxxxxxx
dstanley1389@xxxxxxxxx
+1 630-363-1389

 

 

 

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