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[STDS-802-11-TGM] EDITOR2 SA ballot comments updated (19/2160r3) based on received comments



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Hi Dorothy and all,

I've uploaded 19/2160r3 to the mentor at:

Among the proposed resolution of the 89 CIDs in revision 2:
[1]  I updated the resolution of the following 6 CIDs based on Mark's comment:  4063, 4069, 4241, 4254, 4645, and 4775.
[2]  I move the following 4 CIDs from review to discuss:  4070, 4072, 4074, and 4027, based on Mark's comment.

In summary, there are still 85 CIDs in 19/2160r3 that are pending for members to review.

Hi Mark,

Thanks a lot.   Please refer to my response below [Ed].

For your comment on my separate contribution 19/2163r2, I will send my response to the email reflector at a later time.

> [3] 19/2160r2:   a few CIDs that need discussion or assignment to volunteer(s)
> Which are these?

Sorry for confusion.  It should be for assignment to volunteers, rather than "need discussion or assignment to volunteer(s)".  There are at least 2 of them now:  CID 4748 and CID 4393.  


Regards,
Edward


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:26 AM Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> [1] 19/2160r2:   the proposed resolution for the 89 CIDs

 

Thanks for these resolutions.  Here are my comments on the proposed

resolutions to the 89 "review" comments in 19/2160r2:

 

CID 4063: I think it needs to be "NOTE 1" and "NOTE 2" not "NOTE1" and "NOTE2"

[Ed]  Agree. 

CID 4069: Has to be REVISED because proposed change has duplicate "54"

[Ed]  Agree. 

CID 4070: No, this comment should be REJECTED.  The point is that the

BFee does not fragment if the CBR fits in the BFer's max MPDU len capability.

So if for example the CBR is 10k and the BFer's max MPDU len capability

is 11k, then the BFee does not fragment, even if the BFee's max MPDU

len capability on rx is 4k (which one might think might also be its

max on tx).  This is the subtlety the NOTE is capturing.  Indeed,

 

The VHT beamformee might therefore have to transmit an MPDU that is bigger than the VHT beamformer is capable of receiving.

 

would be plain wrong: it never does that.

[Ed]  I move this CID from "Review" to "Discuss" for further discussion.   

CID 4072: Actually, the spec is inconsistent as to the enum names for

the (EDMG_)BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter:

 

Table 20-1: Beam tracking requested or Beam tracking not requested

Table 24-1: Beam tracking requested or beam tracking not requested

and         Enhanced beam tracking requested or enhanced beam tracking not requested

Table 25-1: Beam tracking requested or Beam tracking not requested

 

I suggest making the first letter of each word uppercase, so in

addition to the above the following need fixing:

 

10.42.7

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST to Beam Tracking Requested

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter shall be set to Beam Tracking Not Requested

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the RXVECTOR set to Beam Track Requested

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the TXVECTOR to Beam Tracking Requested

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST to beam tracking not requested

BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the RXVECTOR equal to beam tracking not requested

10.42.9

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST to enhanced beam tracking requested

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter shall be set to enhanced beam tracking not requested

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the RXVECTOR equal to enhanced beam tracking requested

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the TXVECTOR to enhanced beam tracking requested

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the TXVECTOR to enhanced beam tracking requested

ENHANCED_BEAM_TRACKING_REQUEST parameter in the RXVECTOR equal to enhanced beam tracking requested

 

Also, in 20.9.2.2.1 "Beam Tracking Request (if present) equal to 0"

should (I presume) have "field" before the parenthesis.  Or maybe,

looking at the wider sentence structure, instead delete "the" in

"the PPDU Type" (also in next bullet)?

[Ed]  I move this CID from "Review" to "Discuss" for further discussion.   

 

CID 4074: I'm not sure "following" should be deleted.  I think it's

referring to the immediately following PPDU, so maybe a better fix would

be to add "immediately"?  Note there are 4 other "following PPDU"s:

2059.63, 2064.24/25, 4405.59.

 [Ed]  I move this CID from "Review" to "Discuss" for further discussion.   

CID 4123: "The thickness of the line at the bottom of Aggregation is very thin

because it is not the end of the table." is a nice theory, but in practice

there are many tables split across pages where the line at the bottom of

one page is not very thin.  Can't this be made some kind of global setting?

[Ed]  As far as I know, the global setting will be done by the IEEE-SA Publication Editor. 

 

CID 4241: Re the note to commenter, I think the two locations should be

fixed even if they don't match the comment string.  Also 230.2 "transmissions

from the AP to itself", 1838.7 "CTS to itself", 2213.19/2214.27 "SPs allocated

to itself".

[Ed]  I add these 4 locations into the updated resolution. 

CID 4251: Did I really not miss any in CID 4252?

[Ed]  No, you do not miss anything in CID 4252. 

 

CID 4254:

Also "Unless another value is mandated by regulatory authorities, the default value is 256." at 3896.39,

"The default value is null." at 3941.57, 3942.44, 3951.43, 3957.23, 3962.5, 3966.45, 3979.14, 3996.61, 4002.8, 4003.48, 4010.49, 4040.28, 4043.7, 4043.25, 4044.54, 4070.27, 4079.59, 4081.19,

"The default value of this attribute is …" at 4113.3, 4113.22, 4160.64, 4174.39.

 [Ed]  Thanks.  I add all but one locations (4160.64) into my updated resolution.  It is because I've already included 4160.64 in my original resolution.

CID 4275: Did I really not miss any in CID 4276?

 [Ed]  CID 4276 covers "if", while CID 4275 covers "if" and "when".   For the "if" part, you do not miss anything.

CID 4518 and CID 4770: Are the resolutions exactly the same (slight miracle if so!)?

 [Ed]  Yes, exactly the same including the reminder to change "above" to "below".   It is a miracle!

CID 4627: Should it maybe be "RCPI parameter", by analogy with other locations?

 

15.2.3.6 PHY-RXEND.indication parameter RCPI(#2560)

The allowed values for the RCPI parameter are in the range 0 to 255, as defined in 9.4.2.37 (RCPI element).

This parameter is a measure by the PHY of the received channel power. The performance requirements for

the measurement of RCPI are defined in 15.4.6.6 (Received Channel Power Indicator Measurement).

 

17.2.3.6 PHY-RXEND.indication parameter RCPI(#2560)

The allowed values for the RCPI parameter are in the range 0 to 255, as defined in 17.3.10.7 (Received

Channel Power Indicator Measurement). This parameter is a measure by the PHY of the received channel

power. RCPI indications of 8 bits are supported. RCPI shall be measured over the entire received frame or

by other equivalent means that meet the specified accuracy.

[which leads to]

17.3.10.7 Received Channel Power Indicator Measurement

The RCPI indicator is a measure of the received RF power in the selected channel for a received frame. This

parameter shall be a measure by the PHY of the received RF power in the channel measured over the entire

received frame or by other equivalent means that meet the specified accuracy.

The RCPI encoding is defined in 15.4.6.6 (Received Channel Power Indicator Measurement).

[which leads to]

15.4.6.6 Received Channel Power Indicator Measurement

The  RCPI  is  a  measure  of  the  received  RF  power  in  the  selected  channel  for  a  received  frame.  This

parameter shall be a measure by the PHY of the received RF power in the channel measured over the entire

received frame or by other equivalent means that meet the specified accuracy.

The encoding of received power to RCPI is defined in 9.4.2.37 (RCPI element).

 [Ed]  I move this CID from "Review" to "Discuss" for further discussion.   

CID 4645: 2061.61 also needs a "the"

 [Ed]  Thanks.  I've added "the" in my updated resolution.

CID 4775: I find:

446 "µs" (the right micro, namely U+00B5)

269 "μs" (the wrong micro, namely U+03BC)

213 "microsecond" (of which about 50 in the MIB, where it has to be ASCII)

so I think the comment should be ACCEPTED.

 [Ed]  Thanks.  I miss the word "unicode" in the commenter's comment.   I agree it is "Accepted" but "Revised", and I've updated the resolution accordingly.

CID 4794: There are two more, broken across a line, at 2056.50 and 3469.20

 [Ed]  Thanks,  I've included these 2 locations in the notes to the editors.

> [2] 19/2163r2:   I will have an additional 15 - 20 CIDs for discussion.

 

I attach my comments on 19/2163r2.

 

> [3] 19/2160r2:   a few CIDs that need discussion or assignment to volunteer(s)

 

Which are these?  The 15 with status Discuss are addressed in 19/2163r2.

So that just leaves CID 4315 and 4784, which do indeed need a submission

(for the latter, the commenter has said he will provide a submission.)

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: ***** 802.11 REVm - Revision Maintainance List ***** <STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of

> Edward Au

> Sent: 2 January 2020 06:10

> To: STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGM] Proposed resolution for 89 CIDs uploaded (19/2160r2)

>

> --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector ---

>

> Hi Dorothy, and all

>

> Proposed resolution for 89 CIDs, which are relatively straightforward,

> are uploaded at

> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/19/11-19-2160-02-000m-revmd-editor2-standards-association-ballot-

> comments.xlsx

>

> The ad-hoc status of these 89 CIDs in the spreadsheet is "Review" and

> these 89 CIDs are listed as follows:

>

>  4794,  4789,  4788,  4775,  4773,  4770,  4724,  4684,  4675,  4674,

> 4673,  4666,  4665,  4664,  4660,  4645,  4644,  4638,  4627,  4621,

> 4619,  4610,  4609,  4532,  4518,  4504,  4502,  4500,  4484,  4481,

> 4472,  4464,  4461,  4434,  4426,  4412,  4411,  4407,  4387,  4385,

> 4367,  4359,  4357,  4356,  4350,  4348,  4346,  4337,  4333,  4332,

> 4331,  4330,  4316,  4302,  4300,  4290,  4280,  4279,  4278,  4276,

> 4275,  4268,  4255,  4254,  4252,  4251,  4241,  4228,  4215,  4211,

> 4210,  4200,  4199,  4187,  4186,  4185,  4184,  4183,  4180,  4130,

> 4128,  4127,  4124,  4123,  4074,  4072,  4070,  4069,  4063

>

> Please review and let me know if you have any comment/question.

>

> Regards,

> Edward

>

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