HI Adrian,
I have to admit I am uncomfortable in
that the DensiFy members will effectively face zero
consequences as a result of their 3 years(?) of activity that
has been investigated and reported as acting against the rules
and interests of 802.11. It is quite obvious that what will
happen is that we will see all the DensiFy companies send in
their letters so that by the next meeting it will be business
as usual. As such there will be zero consequences for these
companies and, I am sure, not even an apology.
Your ruling was as follows:
Question: how does being in special
measures affect the ballot group (also known as the voter
pool)?
Answer: It doesn’t. The ballot group
will consist of the voting members of 802.11 at the time of
the start of the initial WG ballot and remain frozen until the
end of the recirculation series.
I interpret the word “treat” in the
instruction in the approved remedy (“treat the vote of all
individuals affiliated with DensiFi SIG members as a single
vote”) to relate to the act of counting the votes.
So the voter pool is individuals and
their Letter Ballot votes count without any regard to whether
they are affiliated to a DensiFy company. That is fine. When
comments are resolved, however, motions on the resolutions are
subject to the "single vote" rule. If, however, each company
has by then sent in its letter of withdrawal from the SIG,
then each member can vote unhindered.
I can appreciate that this is in line
with EC ruling but again I ask "where is the punishment?"
As the "single vote" rule did not come into effect until after
San Antonio, and by the time we assemble in Atlanta I predict
DensiFy will have disbanded, there will be zero
consequences for the misdeeds of DensiFy.
As the voter pool was effectively
fixed for this draft, there is a case to be made that until
D1.0 has completed comment resolution, the "single vote"
rule should stay in effect - irrespective of whether the
company has "withdrawn" from DensiFy.
In my particular case, I complained
about dominance with respect to the Spatial Reuse part of
11ax. Having 'endeared' myself to the powerful and numerous
members of the SIG, I ask myself do I once again place myself
in the position of yet again presenting and explaining the
benefits of my spatial reuse scheme (and possibly pointing out
the problems of those in the draft) only to be voted down by a
block? I can call for a recorded vote, maybe even ask for
separated recorded votes, ex-DensiFy on one side, and
non-DensiFy on the other side, but that will not change the
result. Reaching out has proved completely fruitless. I
have not made a secret of it, but the way I have been treated
by this group over the last 2 years, at numerous meetings, has
caused such frustration that has not been good for my health,
so this is not a light matter.
I would like to hear the opinions of
others, for example:
·
Is
it OK that having not had any hindrance in producing a D1.0,
DensiFy, and having been shown to have participated in
behavior against the interests and rules of 802.11, will
suffer no consequences for their actions? (This of course
assumes that each member of DensiFy will submit its letter
before Atlanta – would be very surprised if they do not)
·
Should
the past DensiFy members be subjected to the ‘single vote’
limit until the end of the D1.0 comment resolution?
·
Any
other ideas?
Thank you
Graham
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11] IEEE 802.11 Mandatory Technical
Letter Ballot 225 for P802.11ax Draft 1.0 Starts Today
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And a reminder that my interpretation of
the implementation of the special measures applied to 802.11ax
is available here:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/16/11-16-1568-01-0000-interpretation-of-special-measures.doc
In particular, 802.11 voting members
need to respond to the ballot by the end of the recirculation
series or they may lose their voting rights. This is
regardless of whether they are subject to special measures in
part or all of the ballot series.
Best Regards,
Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@xxxxxxxx
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Skype: adrian_stephens
On 01/12/2016 19:16, Adrian Stephens
wrote:
> IEEE 802.11(TM) Letter Ballot 225
>
> To: IEEE 802.11 Voters,
>
> With this email, the 802.11 Working
Group is officially beginning WG
> Technical Letter Ballot 225
(LB225), which is a Letter Ballot on the
> question "Should P802.11ax D1.0 be
forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?".
>
>
> This Letter Ballot opens Thu Dec
01, 2016 at 23:59 Eastern Time USA
> (11:59PM) and will close 30 days
later on Sat Dec 31, 2016 at 23:59
> Eastern Time USA (11:59pm). All
necessary documents are available in
> the instructions that can be found
on the IEEE 802.11 web site at
> http://www.ieee802.org/11/LetterBallots/LB225ax/LB225_instructions.html.
>
> Important:
> o This is a 30-day Technical
letter ballot and the ballot group
> (i.e., those that may vote) for
this ballot is all IEEE 802.11 voter
> members as of the start of this
letter ballot.
> o All current voter members of
802.11 are required to vote on this
> ballot series.
> o If you cast a "Do not approve"
vote on this ballot, it must be
> accompanied by comments for your
vote to be valid.
> o You must follow these
instructions to vote. Do not send an email
> to vote. Voting by any method other
than the web-based process
> described here will invalidate your
vote.
> o Failure to follow these
instructions will result in your vote
> being discarded as an invalid vote.
> o Not voting on a letter ballot
series or sending an invalid vote
> can affect your voting privileges.
> o The draft is password
protected in accordance with IEEE 802
> Policies and Procedures. To obtain
the draft, use the username and
> the password supplied to active
members for the 802.11 WG private area.
>
>
> (The attached file contains a
reminder set for 4 days before the close
> of the ballot. You may find it
helpful to import this into or open
> this with your calendar client in
order to get an automated reminder.)
>
> Thank you for participating in
Letter Ballot 225.
>
> Adrian Stephens, IEEE 802.11
Working Group Chair
> E-mail: Adrian.P.Stephens@xxxxxxxx
>
> Osama Aboul-Magd, IEEE 802.11 TGax
Chair
> E-mail: Osama.AboulMagd@xxxxxxxxxx
>
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