Re: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] [STDS-802-16-mobile] Clarification regarding idle mode and paging

[Yigal Leiba <yigall@RUNCOM.CO.IL>]

Hi Gedon,
 
I'm asking this question, because I think that in order to propose a
solution, one must clearly state the problem. The example of Netbios is a
good example, because I personally don't think I want to support Netbios
broadcast over the WAN, and if that is the only incident, then I would
not be in favor of adding this kind of support.
To summarize, I think we should find convincing scenarios that require
this capability before adding it.
 
Regards,
Yigal
 
 
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-stds-802-16-mobile@listserv.ieee.org
      [mailto:owner-stds-802-16-mobile@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf
      Of Rosner, Gedon
      Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:49 PM
      To: STDS-802-16-MOBILE@listserv.ieee.org
      Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] [STDS-802-16-mobile]
      Clarification regarding idle mode and paging

      Hi Yigal,

        The periodic messages I refer to are actually messages
      which one may choose to discard. An example may be NetBIOS
      broadcast keep alive messages or network mappings, which the
      user may choose not to respond to, as opposed to e.g. -
      VoIP packets. Thus only specific services may generate paging
      instead of others.  

      -Gedon


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      From: owner-stds-802-16-mobile@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
      [mailto:owner-stds-802-16-mobile@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf
      Of Yigal Leiba
      Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:32 AM
      To: STDS-802-16-MOBILE@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
      Subject: Re: Clarification regarding idle mode and paging

      Hi Gedon,

       

      Could you perhaps be more specific with regards to what
      periodic messages you have in mind, on which network
      protocols.

       

      Regards,

      Yigal Leiba

      Runcom Technologies

       
            -----Original Message-----
            From: owner-stds-802-16-mobile@listserv.ieee.org
            [mailto:owner-stds-802-16-mobile@listserv.ieee.org]On
            Behalf Of Rosner, Gedon
            Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:45 AM
            To: STDS-802-16-MOBILE@listserv.ieee.org
            Subject: [STDS-802-16-MOBILE] Clarification
            regarding idle mode and paging

            "Idle Mode is intended as a mechanism to allow
            MSS to become periodically available for DL
            broadcast traffic Messaging ..". 

            It seems that the ability of an MSS to determine
            which type of traffic may generate paging is
            important on a network supporting a variety of
            services - and obviously it is also missing in
            paging definition.

            In a 3GPP network, paging is simple due to
            limited services that might use it (dedicated
            voice calls and SMS) - this service is inherent
            and explicit in the network. However, when moving
            to a shared services network it is quite
            desirable to be able to determine which types of
            traffic generate paging without requiring
            specific carrier application to register and
            support the paging.

            This is especially important on data networks
            where many protocols send out periodic messages
            that the MSS may choose to discard while
            maintaining some degree of availability.

            It seems that defining optional idle mode service
            flows (with classifiers) will provide a simple,
            flexible and necessary amendment to the current
            paging definition.

            I'd like to hear your thoughts/inputs on this.

            Thanks in advance !

            Gedon Rosner

            Intel Corporation