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RE: stds-802-16: Request to amend joint 802-16/ETSI-BRAN-HA minutes
Scott
I find your explanation inconsistent with my 22 years experience in
standards fora participation. An event has occurred at a meeting and a
member considers it important to ask that the event be recorded in the
meeting minutes. The only question that should remain is whether the
proposed wording accurately describes the event. Accuracy of the proposed
wording definitely requires to be voted upon or the chair/secretary can
informally ask those in attendance if they consider that the proposed
wording accurately describes what has happened. If no one objects then the
wording is assumed as accurately describing the event, otherwise the
proposed statement's accuracy in describing the event is voted upon.
I am sorry for my ignorance but where is the rule of how and to record the
event that you enforcing described? Are we following Roberts Rules or
adapting them as we go along? Kindly explain.
I thank you.
Dr. Demosthenes J. Kostas
Director, Industry Standards
Adaptive Broadband Corporation
3314 Dartmouth Ave
Dallas, TX 75205 USA
tel: 214 520 8411
fax: 214 520 9802
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Marin [mailto:smarin@spectrapoint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 3:38 AM
To: Kostas, Demos
Cc: 'Roger B. Marks'; stds-802-16@ieee.org; 'Per.J.Emanuelsson@telia.se'
Subject: stds-802-16: Request to amend joint 802-16/ETSI-BRAN-HA minutes
Demos,
Thanks for the suggested change to the minutes. I certainly encourage people
to
read and suggest corrections to the minutes.
However, after careful consideration, I'm going to recommend against
incorporating the changes you've suggested for the following reasons:
1) The instruction to secretaries that I've read suggest that minutes should
be
limited to motions, decisions that are voted on, and formal decisions taken
by
the group. Discussions are not normally recorded. To avoid potential
editorial
bias by the secretary, I've attempted to keep debates, discussions,
comments,
and other informal points out of meeting minutes.
2) The plan is to capture agreements between the organizations in writing
per
the draft agreement document that Roger presented. The comments by chairman
or
others might present interpretations of the written agreement, but I don't
consider the comments made by Per or Roger as binding unless they're in the
agreement document or they're based on a successful motion. Placing the
comment
your suggested in the minutes would not make the point binding; although
some
people might interpret such notes as binding.
3) The joint meeting was basically in informative liaison meeting and not a
formal meeting of the respective groups. Even if a motion had been made and
accepted to formalize the points you raised, it's not clear the a vote on
such a
motion would have been valid because there was no basis for either chairman
to
accept such a motion.
Perhaps the best way forward is to make sure the points you've raised are
included in the agreement document between the organizations.
Regards,
Scott
4) "Kostas, Demos" wrote:
> Scott Hi!
> There was an important result of this joint IEEE 802.16 - ETSI BRAN
meeting
> that the minutes do not reflect. According to my notes this result (which
> should be noted in the minutes) is as follows:
>
> There was a discussion on the exchange of Working Documents between IEEE
> 802.16 and ETSI BRAN. Dr. Demos Kostas suggested that the proposed
> procedure of the Ad Hoc Group for exchanging only specific Working
Documents
> upon request was an unproductive bureaucratic procedure that warranted
> streamlining. Mr. Per Emanuelsson agreed that it was difficult for one to
> request Working Documents that one was not aware of their existence and
> added that the ETSI BRAN Hyperacid Working Documents could be made
available
> to IEEE 802.16 without a special request. Dr. Roger Marks agreed about
> working out the details of posting of the ETSI BRAN Hyperacid Working
> Documents for the IEEE 802.16 off-line.
>
> Dr. Demosthenes J. Kostas
> Director, Industry Standards
> Adaptive Broadband Corporation
>
> 3314 Dartmouth Ave
> Dallas, TX 75205 USA
>
> tel: 214 520 8411
> fax: 214 520 9802
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:marks@boulder.nist.gov]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:41 AM
> To: stds-802-16@ieee.org
> Subject: stds-802-16: Published: Minutes of Joint Meeting between IEEE
> 802.16 and ETSI BRAN HIPERACCESS conducted on 5 May 2000 at 802.16
> Session #7
>
> Title: Minutes of Joint Meeting between IEEE 802.16 and ETSI BRAN
> HIPERACCESS conducted on 5 May 2000 at 802.16 Session #7
>
> Document Number: IEEE 802.16l-00/13
>
> URL: <http://ieee802.org/16/liaison/docs/80216l-00_13.pdf>
>
> Source: Scott Marin <mailto:smarin@spectrapoint.com>