----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:21
AM
Subject: stds-802-16: RE: Profiles for
the Tgd group
Roger
Checking through the contributions for next
week's meeting, I tried to obtain doc IEEE C802.16d-03/29 (From Itzik) and saw
that it was unavailable on the server. I contacted Itzik and was
forwarded the following emails for information.
I have a number
of concerns regarding the process and the points at issue :
a) In
my opinion, and especially since this topic is now under WG Letter Ballot,
these emails (starting with the one from Gordon) should have been copied to
the appropriate reflector(s) for the benefit of all TGd and WG
members.
b) Itzik's Contribution is based on the format / content of
the WG document P802.16d/D1-2003 which is an IEEE 802 document "owned" by the
WG, regardless of where the various incorporated contributions came from. It
no longer belongs to TGd or the individual contributors. Gordon has also
previously declared (within TGd) that all profile contributions should follow
the same format and structure etc. I therefore consider it to be out of order
for Gordon (and yourself) to withdraw or suppress Itzik's contribution in this
way.
c) The contributions from WiMax are actually from the individual
authors themselves - WiMax cannot be a member of IEEE 802.16. The fact that
they have "doctored" the standard IEEE copyright notices on their
contributions (without making it explicitly clear when the contributions were
presented to the TG/WG) is both mischievous / deceitful, and probably out of
order under IEEE 802 rules.
The authors concerned should either amend
their "WiMax" contributions accordingly (with an appropriate Revision) to
revert to the standard IEEE 802 copyright statements or have their material
deleted from P802.16d/D1-2003 since the WG was probably not authorized to
incorporate it under IEEE 802 procedures.
d) In any case, the
contribution by Itzik should be made available to the WG for proper and timely
consideration as part of the Letter Ballot process. WiMax (and its
collaborating authors / representatives) should also be admonished for
apparently attempting to thwart any non-WiMax or non-OFDM contributions to the
System Profiles.
I take this matter very seriously and will reverse my
vote to "Disapprove" unless immediate action is taken to correct this
situation.
David
Trinkwon
Email :
Trinkwon@compuserve.com
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650 245 5650
Fax : 650 649 2728
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-----Original Message-----
From: Itzik Kitroser [mailto:itzikk@runcom.co.il]
Sent:
Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:32 AM
Please find the profiles contribution
which I have submitted and which was removed from the web site as to request
from WIMAX. I have also attached the mail exchange from myself, Roger and
Gordon.
Please contact me by mail or phone (+972-58-701606) if you have
any questions/comments.
Regards,
Itzik
Kitroser
-----Original Message-----
From: Itzik Kitroser [mailto:itzikk@runcom.co.il]
Sent:
Wednesday, May 07, 2003 02:35
To: r.b.marks@ieee.org
Cc:
zionh@runcom.co.il; itzikk@runcom.co.il
Subject: RE: IEEE TGd contribution
IEEE C80216d-03/29
Dear Roger,
As the author of contribution
C80216d-03/29 I here by state that:
a. No reference and/or cut and
paste was done to contribution C80216d-03/23
b. The C80216d-03/29
contribution clearly state that it referred to IEEE P80216d_D1-2003 as
reference item [1].
c. The "Release" section of the cover page of
each contribution to IEEE802.16 state that:
===
"The contributor
grants a free, irrevocable license to the IEEE to incorporate material
contained in this contribution, and any modifications thereof, in the
creation of an IEEE
Standards publication; to copyright in the IEEEs name
any IEEE Standards publication even though it may include portions
of this contribution; and at the IEEEs sole discretion to permit others
to reproduce in whole or in part the resulting IEEE Standards
publication. The contributor also acknowledges and accepts that this
contribution may be made public by IEEE 802.16."
===
I have just noticed
that the C80216d-03/23 have updated this notification to with the following
addition:
"Release shall be limited to Part 16 Standards which describe
detailed system profiles for 2-11 GHz and shall in addition be limited to
those parts of these Standards that address WirelessMAN-OFDM and
WirelessHUMAN-OFDM systems."
I believe that this is not a standard addition which was not forwarded to
the IEEE802.16 group for approval.
d. My intention was pure, to write a profile section for the OFDMA case,
trying to be inline with the template defined in the reference document
IEEE P80216d_D1-2003, such that the profiles section will be coherent and
readable, therefore a reference to IEEE P80216d_D1-2003 was made.
e. I wasn't aware of any infringe of copyrights, since I worked solely
with IEEE 802.16 formal draft.
Please advice me how to proceed.
Itzik.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
Sent:
Tuesday, May 06, 2003 20:14
To: Gordon Antonello
Cc: Margaret LaBrecque
(E-mail); Nico Van Waes (E-mail);
Itzikk@runcom.co.il
Subject: Re: IEEE TGd contribution IEEE C80216d-03/29
Dear Mr.
Antonello,
It is, of course, not IEEE 802.16's intention to infringe
upon copyrights. Although similarities between the documents
are apparent, I am not personally qualified to cast a judgement on the
issue of infringement. Given WiMAX's assertion that IEEE C802.16d-03/29 does
so infringe, I have removed it from the web site.
If the contributors
of IEEE C802.16d-03/29 believe that it does not infringe upon a
copyright, they are free to explain their position.
I hope that this
problem can be resolved directly by the affected parties so that it does not
impede the development of the draft.
Regards,
Roger
Marks
At 11:39 AM -0600 03/05/06, Gordon Antonello wrote:
Dr.
Roger Marks,
I am sending this email as a representative of the WiMAX
Forum and its members on the matter of IEEE contribution IEEE
C80216d-03/29.
IEEE contribution IEEE C80216d-03/29 is more-or-less a
cut & paste of IEEE contribution IEEE C80216d-03/23 and
substantially infringes on the WiMAX Forum copyright. The
contributor is a non-WiMAX member to the IEEE. Based on this, and the
fact that no permission was requested or granted to use text from IEEE
C80216d-03/23, I kindly ask that IEEE contribution IEEE C80216d-03/29 be
removed from the server.
If you have any questions regarding this
request please contact me directly.
Sincerely,
Gordon
Antonello
Chairman, WiMAX 2-11 GHz Technical Working Group
p +1 403 207
6477
f +1 403 273 5100
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