Re: [STDS-802-16] FW: [STDS-802-16] [MMR-AH-UM] Announcing First meeting of Multihop Relay Usage Model Ad Hoc Group
Hi,
I also think it may be good idea to discuss those characteristics for each usage model. If most of these characteristics are duplicated for two usage models, then it may be a good indication that two models should be merged into one. In the end, I think it may be enough to have a table to classify the models with some key components. A similar table could be used for technical requirement.
I would like stress the point that usage model should be very short (no more than 4-5 pages), otherwise, the more you write down, the less will be followed. The purpose is for developing standard, not for marketing or tutorial. If people feel some contents are useful for general consumption, we could keep it in Annex. Given an example, if usage model 1 describes a two hop relay system, while the usage model 2 describes a more than 2 hop relay system and we agree to support both cases. Then from standard point of view, only usage model 2 is needed. Model 1is a subset. Many duplications (in previous combined document from ad-hoc during the last session) come from the fact that we try to describe small variations.
Regards,
Peiying
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From: Wern Ho Sheen [mailto:whsheen@ITRI.ORG.TW]
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Dear Jerry and all:
I agree that there would be redundancy in the document according to Asa's suggestion. However, it seems easier at the beginning of this process to develop the strategy, topology, frequency usage, RS characteristics, etc. for each of deployment scenario. After that is complete, we may want to classify the strategy, topology, frequency usage and RS characteristics and use tables to summarize these aspects for each of deployment scenarios-somewhat like what Jerry is proposing right now. So, my thinking is to use two-step approach to develop the document. The first step uses Asa's approach and then we reorganize the document a little bit more concise as Jerry wishes.
Thanks and regards
Wern Ho
Wern Ho Sheen
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Wireless Communication Technology Division
Information & Communication Research Laboratories
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> ''Sydir, Jerry'' <jerry.sydir@INTEL.COM> 2006-05-25 07:57:48 AM wrote:
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主旨: Re: [STDS-802-16] FW: [STDS-802-16] [MMR-AH-UM] Announcing First meeting of Multihop Relay Usage Model Ad Hoc Group
Asa,
Thank you for providing input to the discussion. You bring up some key points on the organization of the document. We will discuss them in the meeting tomorrow. I have some initial thoughts to add to the discussion.
Your comment on including sections 4-7 as subsections of each of the usage model sections (3.x.x) raises a fundamental question on the organization of the document. I had considered structuring the document in that fashion, but concluded that there would be a lot of repetition in those sections from model to model. My feeling is that each of the models is unique in a few aspects of the topology, deployment strategy, attributes of the RSs uses, etc (sections 4-7), but they are not unique in all of them. For that reason I think that the document will be more concise if we describe out those points of uniqueness as part of the description of each usage model (without creating all of the subsections) and then summarized the complete set of topologies, deployment strategies, etc. in sections 4-7.
I agree with your idea that we have subsections for significant variations/examples of the major usage models. I would suggest that we have a common description of the model first, and then short sections describing the specific examples / variations.
Regards,
Jerry Sydir
From:Asa Masahito-c22106 [mailto:asa@MOTOROLA.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:28 PM
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Subject: [STDS-802-16] FW: [STDS-802-16] [MMR-AH-UM] Announcing First meeting of Multihop Relay Usage Model Ad Hoc Group
Jerry and all,
Thank you for announcing the ad hoc group discussion.
I have a suggestion on the table of contents or organization of the document.
My suggestion is mainly section three.
Suggested TOC is,
3.1 Throughput Enhancement
3.1.1 Detailed model A
3.1.2 Detailed model B
3.1.3 Detailed model C
3.1.4 ....
3.2 Coverage / Range Extension
3.2.1 Detailed model E
3.2.2 Detailed model F
3.2.3 Detailed model G
3.2.4 ....
3.3 Capacity Enhancement
3.3.1 Detailed model I
3.3.2 Detailed model J
3.3.3 Detailed model K
3.3.4 ....
I would like to make subsections and make a bit detail model.
For example,
3.1.1 detailed model A could be enhance model at cell edge.
3.1.2 detailed model B could be enhance model at valley of buildings
3.2.1 could be enhancement for isolated area and
3.2.2 could be enhancement at underground.
(I like to define under ground as out of range area
even if it is within the MMR-BS cell)
3.3.1 could be enhancement at temporally event.
Then I would suggest to discuss
- deployment strategy
- mobility
- owner ship
- topology
- link type
- RS type
- antenna
for each detailed model.
I mean section 4 - 7 should be discussed in section 3.
I think collection of detailed models is the main point of Usage Models document.
I would like to hear your opinion.
Best Regards,
Asa
p.s.
I would like to include 3.4 mobile RS in section 3.1 TP enhancement.
Because mobile RS intends TP increase at inside the public transportation.
From:Sydir, Jerry[mailto:jerry.sydir@INTEL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:43 PM
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Subject: [STDS-802-16] [MMR-AH-UM] Announcing First meeting of Multihop Relay Usage Model Ad Hoc Group
Given the large number of folks interested in the Multihop Relay Usage Model Ad Hoc group, I’ve decided to follow the suggestions to use the 802.16 STDS exploder to carry on Ad Hoc group discussions instead of setting up a separate email list as I had indicated in earlier communications. Please append the prefix [MMR-AH-UM] to all communications meant for the ad-hoc group.
The first meeting (conference call) of the Ad Hoc group will be held on Thursday May 25, 2006 from 06:00 - 08:00 (AM) pacific time (GMT-08:00). Here is the bridge for the meeting: +1 916-356-2663, Bridge: 2, Passcode: 1157820.
I have uploaded some slides that I will use to kick off the meeting to the temporary upload directory. The document title is C80216j-06_UMAH-kick-off.ppt.
I have also uploaded a starting version of the harmonized contribution (the
outline) to the same directory. The document title is C80216j-06_UMAHtemp.doc. Please review this document in advance and bring up any points of disagreement via email (over this email list) in order to help make the meeting more productive.
I’m looking forward to working with all of you to produce a harmonized usage model contribution.
Regards,
Jerry Sydir
Wireless Networking Lab, Intel Corp.
(408) 765 - 2215