Dear Lepidus,
Glad to receive your mail.
Your concern makes sense. So far the most possible condition
that BS will use unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP for report instruction is when the MS will
perform the autonomous neighbor cell scanning defined in 8.4.13.1.13. According
to the text in Cor2/D2, it does not clearly specify this is the only one possible
condition.
Up to now, I cannot see other conditions the BS may send unsolicited
MOB_SCN-RSP for report instruction to MS. Therefore, I support your idea that
we may need additional text to state that the BS shall not send unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP
for report instruction to the MS which does not perform the autonomous neighbor
cell scanning. I think your clarification can prevent certain confusion when
implementation.
Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Best Regards,
I-Kang
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I-Kang Fu IKFu@itri.org.tw
New Mobile Access Tech. Dept.
Information & Communications Research Labs
Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI), Taiwan
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From: Lepidus_Chang@mtk.com.tw
[mailto:Lepidus_Chang@mtk.com.tw]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 4:20 PM
To: I-Kang Fu
Cc: STDS-802-16@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-16] Question on unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP message.
(16e-2005)
Hello
I-Kang,
Thanks for the reply.
My
major concern is: "Is the MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning defined in
Section 8.4.13.1.13 the expected action for
MS
which receives the unsolicted MOB_SCN-RSP message?"
My
understanding on yours and Geunhw's comments is: Yes.
However,
MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning is not for MS which does not support
FBSS/MDHO. In this case, would not you think
it
is better to clearly state that "BS should not send unsolicited
MOB_SCN-RSP message to MS which does not support FBSS/MDHO."
in
Section 6.3.22.1.2 which defines the unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP message?
In
case this is any different understanding on the issue, please do not hesitate
to share. Thanks.
Best
regards,
Lepidus.
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"I-Kang
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2007/03/04
03:38 PM
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Dear
Lepidus,
Glad
to receive your mail.
I
does not aware the difference between my understanding and Geunhwi’s comment.
If a MS supports the capability of FBSS/MDHO, it shall perform the autonomous
neighbor cell scanning all the time without the instruction by BS. Therefore,
when the BS send the MOB_SCN-RSP to MS with Scan duration set as zero, this
message is to instruct the MS to “report” the scanning results. Then MS will
report the results based on its signal quality database.
I
suppose BS can know if the MS supports FBSS/MDHO through the ‘Handover
supported’ field in REG-REQ/RSP message, and its detail is available in
11.7.13.5 in Cor2/D2. Once the BS know the MS will support the FBSS/MDHO, it’s
reasonable to assume the MS will perform the autonomous neighbor cell scanning.
The
aforementioned comments are my understanding, any correction or amendment will
be much appreciated. Thank you very much.
Best
Regards,
I-Kang
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I-Kang
Fu IKFu@itri.org.tw
New
Mobile Access Tech. Dept.
Information
& Communications Research Labs
Industrial
Technology Research Institute (ITRI), Taiwan
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From:
Lepidus_Chang@mtk.com.tw [mailto:Lepidus_Chang@mtk.com.tw]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 2:50 PM
To: I-Kang Fu
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Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] Question on unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP message.
(16e-2005)
Hello I-Kang,
Thanks for the reply.
In case the "MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning" is not instructed
by MOB_SCN-RSP (including both unsolicited or not), the
expected action for MS which receives unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP message becomes
undefined in the current specifications.
Per the comments from Geunhw Lim in 80216-07_013r2.cmt (comment #25),
"Without the allocated scanning duration, MS could report the measurement
from autonomous scanning. The current spec allows that a BS could deny the
allocation of scanning interval but request the measurement result which MS has
from background scanning, through a MOB_SCN-RSP message."
In this comment, the unsolicited MOB_SCN_RSP message would expect MS to perform
autonomous scanning. As there is only one
section describing "MS autonomous neighboring cell scanning" throughout
the current specifications, I would not think Geunhw's understanding
is the same as yours on "MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning is not
instructed by MOB_SCN-RSP".
On your reply item 3, "Therefore, I think the MS which does not perform FBSS/MDHO may
still be instructed to report its scanning results by BS."
In case the expected action for MS which receives unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP
message is not the "MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning" defined
in Section 8.4.13.1.3, the expected action for MS is undefined. In case the
expected action is defined in Section 8.4.13.1.3, it violates the requirement
that
autonomous scanning is restricted to MS which supports FBSS/MDHO.
As I find this issue unclear on both ways, I would love to learn your opinions
on this issue. Any other comments are also appreciated.
Best regards,
Lepidus.
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I-Kang Fu <IKFu@ITRI.ORG.TW>
2007/03/04
12:40 PM
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Dear Lepidus,
I would like to share my understanding for your reference. Any correction or
amendment on my replies are welcome and appreciated.
1. The “MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning” is not
instructed by MOB_SCN-RSP, it’s different from the normal scanning procedure
defined in 6.3.22.1.2. According to section 8.4.13.1.3 in IEEE Std 802.16
Cor2/D2, the MS shall autonomously scan the preamble transmitted by neighboring
cells if it supports the capability of FBSS/MDHO. So that MS can continuously
maintain the signal quality database to decide whether the neighbor BSs should
be added into the diversity set.
2. Yes, the MS autonomous neighbor cell scanning shall be
performed only when the FBSS/MDHO is supported.
3. According to section 6.3.22.1.2, it says that the
serving BS may also send MOB_SCN-RSP message unsolicited. In this case, BS will
set Scan duration as zero to trigger MS to report scanning result. Therefore, I
think the MS which does not perform FBSS/MDHO may still be instructed to report
its scanning results by BS.
4. Yes, I think so. I think scanning the preamble
transmitted in different carrier frequency is not within the scope of
autonomous neighbor cell scanning. For this case, the normal scanning procedure
should be used.
Best Regards,
I-Kang
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I-Kang Fu IKFu@itri.org.tw
New Mobile Access Tech. Dept.
Information
& Communications Research Labs
Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI), Taiwan
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From: Chao_Ming Chang [mailto:Lepidus_Chang@MTK.COM.TW]
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:55 PM
To: STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [STDS-802-16] Question on unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP message.
(16e-2005)
Hello all,
Regarding the MOB_SCN-RSP message defined in IEEE 802.16e-2005 and
revised in Cor2/D2
(page 144 of P80216_Cor2_D2.pdf), the Scan duration is set to be zero. In this
case,
1. Does the MS receiving MOB_SCN-RSP have to perform "MS autonomous
neighbor cell scanning" defined
in Section 8.4.13.1.3?
2. In case the answer to the first question is positive, does it applicable
only when the MS supports FBSS/MDHO?
because MS is requested to support autonomous neighbor cell scanning when it
supports FBSS/MDHO as specified in
Section 8.4.13.1.3 (page 647 of 16e-2005).
3. Would you think it is better to precisely restrict that unsolicited
MOB_SCN-RSP message is only applicable to MS which
supports FBSS/MDHO in Section 6.3.22.1.2 "MS scanning of neighbor
BSs" which defines the unsolicited MOB_SCN-RSP
message on page 144 of Cor2/D2?
4. At last, in Section 8.4.13.1.3, it said that "For autonomous scanning
procedure, the MS shall perform neighboring cell scanning
via preamble detection for neighbor cells in the same carrier frequency."
Is it the same carrier frequency with the serving BS?
Any comments or replies on the questions are highly appreciated. Thanks.
Best regards,
Lepidus.
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