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Re: [STDS-802-16] [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity



Joey, It is the co-location aspect that I like,  as I agree with you, it should make it much easier to review and verify the code.  I’m just not confident that most people are ready to deal with both text and code revisions simultaneously.

 

Brian

 

From: Chou, Joey [mailto:joey.chou@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:52 AM
To: Kiernan, Brian G; STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity

 

Dear Brian,

 

Thanks for your comment and recommendation.

 

As you may know, it is a huge effort to generate contributions to move ASN.1 code to specific section in 16.2.3. That is why we send out these contributions on the reflector to test the water. The main objective is to co-locate the table and  it’s associated ASN.1 code in the sam section to ease the review and encourage people making changes on both places. My major concern about the MAC control messages in general is that the tables won’t be stablized until the last 16m meeting. It is fine, if the group is not ready for this proposal.

 

As to the ASN.1 group you initiated in another email thread, I can volunteer to lead such group, since I already have the ASN.1 tool set in place to do such task.

 

Thanks, and best regards,

 

Joey

 

 

From: Kiernan, Brian G [mailto:Brian.Kiernan@InterDigital.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:29 AM
To: Chou, Joey; STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity

 

Joey,

 

While I have no inherent objection to this approach and there even are parts of it that I like, I do recommend that the associated ASN.1 sections after each message table remain informative until we are confident that a given table is finalized.  Also, unless a given table change text contribution includes the necessary revisions to the ASN.1 code and we can review and approve those revisions during a session, the code will still be one revision behind.

 

Brian

 

From: Chou, Joey [mailto:joey.chou@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Kiernan, Brian G; STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity

 

At the Calgary meeting, TGm accepted a contribution 967r2 by a group of people to align ASN.1 code in Annex R.2 with message tables in D7 draft. I believe it was an important step, as it was the 1st attempt to align both message tables and ASN.1 code. However, there were still many isssues that generated heated discussions both offline and in the closing plenary of the Clagary meeting. These issues are sumarized below:

 

·         The ASN.1 code is one draft behind the message tables.

·         How can the ASN.1 code become normative, if the message tables are undergoing many technical changes in every meeting.  

 

After the Calgary meeting, Scott, Bancroft, Alessandro, and I had offline discussions on how to resolve the above issues. Here is our proposal:

 

·         Attached are two contributions that move ASN.1 code from Annex R.2 to the corresponding sections in 16.2.3.

·         #1091 moves MAC-Control-Message structure and common type definitions to section 16.2.3,

·         #1090 proposes creating a subsection 16.2.3.1 .. n for each functional area listed in Table 678 (e.g. 16.2.3.1 Network Entry / Re-entry Messages). It moves all message beloning to such functional area to such subsections (e.g. 16.2.3.1.1 AAI-RNG-REQ). It then moves type definitions common to messages in a functional area to subsection 16.2.3.1, and moves ASN.1 code of network entry / re-entry messages after the message table in the corresponding subsection. The reason to co-locate table and ASN.1 code in a section is to align both table and its ASN.1 code, and promote changes to both table and ASN.1 code together in future sessions.  

·         If there are technical changes to the tables of Network Entry / Re-entry Messages, they can be harmonized with #1090  to generate one contribution to change both tables and ASN.1 code after the St Petersburg meeting. We intend to include a few messages in a contribution in order to simplify table and ASN.1 harmonization.     

·         After all ASN.1 code in Annex R.2 are migrated to specific sections in 16.2.3.x, then Annex R.2 can be removed. But, TGm can release separate ASN.1 ASCII file that can be used for ASN.1 code compilation and MAC message implementation. This is similar to the release of a separate MIB data file in 802.16-2009.

 

#1090 only covers Network Entry / Re-entry Messages. Additional contributions are needed to move other messages. The intent of this proposal is to align both tables and ASN.1 code in each new draft. We understand this is not an easy task. But, we have only have a few meetings left before closing 16m. We believe it is worth a try to resove this tough issue. Any comments are welcome.

 

Thanks,

 

Joey

 

 

From: Kiernan, Brian G [mailto:Brian.Kiernan@INTERDIGITAL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:24 AM
To: STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [STDS-802-16] FW: [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:22 AM
To: Roger B. Marks; STDS-802-16@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

 

Subject: RE: [STDS-802-16m] IEEE 802.16m ASN.1 review activity

 

As was agreed during the 802.16m session #68.5 in Calgary, the Draft going forward will include the ASN.1 code as an informative annex, with the intent to update that code as the document evolves, ultimately making the code normative when the draft is sufficiently stable.  Up until now, this code (C-802.16m-10/967r2) http://www.ieee802.org/16/tgm/contrib/C80216m-10_0967r2.doc  has been developed by a fairly small group of dedicated individuals consisting of: Alessandro Triglia and Bancroft Scott (OSS Nokalva); Scott Probasco (Nokia); Wookbong Lee (LGE); Kelvin Chou (MediaTek); Taeyoung Kim, Youngbin Chang, Hyunjeong Kang and Youngkyo Baek (all from Samsung); and Joey Chou (Intel)

 

This message is an invitation for other 802.16 members with an interest and expertise in ASN.1 to join this group to help insure that the code accurately reflects the draft standard text as the document evolves.

 

If you are interested in participating in this activity, please e-mail me.

 

Brian