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Dear all,
Thanks for Chiwoo's analyses. We agree that,
with current 16m feedback channel design, the maximum number of devices
would be 12032.
We would like to share our experiences on
smart meters in Taipei. Please refer to the file <http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ran/WG2_RL2/TSGR2_70/Docs/R2-103269.zip> for
reference. For a cell of 1 km radius, the number of smart meters could be
more than 30000. In practice it is not likely all smart meters attach
to the network at the same time. But, considering various M2M
applications would run simultaneously in a cell, we think the value
of 30000 is reasonable to be the baseline number of supported
devices.
Best Regards,
Yi-Ting
From: Lim Chiwoo
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-16] [802.16p][DEV-RG] - Email Discussion on
M2M device identification Dear 16p members, As Kaushik pointed, we couldn’t agree on how many devices we need to
support or how many devices we can currently support. According to addressing issue, it’s required to determine this first.
I want to show my calculations about current feedback capacities of
16m and 16e. I think that the size of STID doesn’t need to largely exceed the
capacity of feedback channel because operation is not guaranteed if there is no
relevant feedback. The results show that the number of supportable user based on
feedback channel are 7168/12032/200 in cases of
16m(10MHz)/16m(20MHz)/16e(10MHz), respectively. I think that we can consider these results when we determine the
number of devices to be supported in M2M. Please let me know your opinion. Please see following calculations. Basic conditions -
DL:UL = 5:3 -
One feedback channel makes 6 HARQ feedback channels.
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Maximum number of LRUs for feedback channel : 16 (4 bits indication)
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Maximum number of HARQ feedback channel is 30/60 for 10/20MHz,
respectively. -
Let’s consider maximum HARQ feedback channel.
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The report period of fast feedback channel is up to 128 frames
(=640ms, 3 bits indication) -
<10MHz case, 16m> There is a restriction of number of feedback channel. The MAX number
is 27. (per one subframe) 5 feedback channels are used for HARQ feedback channels. (per one DL
subframe (one HARQ feedback region)) There are 81 (= 27 * 3) feedback channels per one frame.
25 (=5*5) feedback channels are used for HARQ feedback channel.
That is, there are 56 fast feedback channels in a frame.
When we consider the report period as 8/32/128 frames, the
number of supportable user are 448/1792/7168. <20MHz case, 16m> There are 48 feedback channels. (per one
subframe) 10 feedback channels are used for HARQ feedback channels. (per one DL
subframe (one HARQ feedback region)) There are 144 (= 48 * 3) feedback channels per one frame.
50 (=10*5) feedback channels are used for HARQ feedback channel.
That is, there are 94 fast feedback channels in a frame.
When we consider the report period as 8/32/128 frames, the
number of supportable user are 752/3008/12032. <10MHz case, 16e> In 16e, the report period of CQICH channel is up to 8 frames (= 40ms,
2bits indication) There are 35 subchannels per one frame in 10MHz.
6 subchannel shall be used as ranging channel. Therefore, if we assume 25 subchannels for CQICH and 4 subchannels
for ACK/NAK, the number of supportable user is just 200.
BR, Chiwoo From: Kaushik
Josiam [mailto:kjosiam@STA.SAMSUNG.COM] Dear 16p
members In the
DEV RG conference call today, we wanted to hear the member’s view on how many
devices we need to support in 802.16p systems. We can increase the
addressing space to support a large number of users, but in the conference call,
we couldn’t agree on how many devices we need to support or how many devices we
can currently support. Related
to this issue, do we need to define a new M2M specific IDs for M2M
devices? If you
have any thoughts or proposals on the issue, please share them as a reply to
this thread. We thank
you for your cooperation. Regards Kaushik
& Ming-Hung DEV RG
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