Re: [Fwd: Are you aware of this?]
"Advanced" makes everyone at present appear "remedial."
Most "advanced" concepts stay advanced and never become relevant
for the present. So will AFN.
This paper is a verbose, authorless, irresponsible,
gibberish I have seen so far on this subject.
It quotes 802.3 - so I am assuming the dot3 veterans will
have indigestions.
Quoting from the paper:
"It is a network that, as a result of a series of (continuing)
innovations made to simple, standards-based Ethernet technologies,
can be propagated for a hundred miles without "regeneration",
as compared to tens of yards that was the maximum possible in the
recent past."
The paper mentions the conclusion are from IEEE-USA after meetings
and analysis. I know little about it and how it was done but certainly have
an opinion on the thesis of this paper as an IEEE member.
IEEE has yet to establish credibility in developing standards for
global, public, telecommunication infrastructure.
Papers like these erode any credibility built so far by IEEE in the telecommunications
sector. It still is a far stretch of an imagination to consider IEEE as
an authority on public networks after just having a few notches on their
belt by standardizing private LANs. Certainly, no known track record and
qualification to do public economic analysis and present reforms.
Also, quoting form the paper:
" Should either a regional ILEC or a cable modem supplier
achieve dominance in a region, it is likely that under Metcalfe's
Law, the "network effects" would result in the party achieving perhaps
even an early plurality, then quickly sweeping to establish a dominant
market share: the resurgence of monopoly is the likely result."
Unfortunately, the paper does not quote from where such "network effect"
and thesis is derived from about Metcalf.
I wish to register my absolute dissatisfaction and indignation at IEEE for making public
pronouncements without agreement from its memberships, especially the thought leaders
in this space.
Raj Sharma
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:43 PM
> To: STDS-802-17@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Fwd: Are you aware of this?]
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> Does anyone have any comments on this?
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> mike
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Are you aware of this?
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:21:36 -0500
> From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@xxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: "Paul Nikolich" <p.nikolich@xxxxxxxx>
> To: "Mike Takefman" <tak@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Mike,
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> Please review and let me know if you have any objections to
> the position
> paper. I have also sent this to Bob Grow and Howard Fraxier
> for review.
>
> --Paul
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maki, Luke" <luke.maki@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Paul Nikolich" <p.nikolich@xxxxxxxx>; <j.carlo@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:17 PM
> Subject: RE: Are you aware of this?
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> Let me know that you received it OK.
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> - Luke
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:16 PM
> To: Maki, Luke; j.carlo@xxxxxxxx; P.Nikolich@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Are you aware of this?
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> Luke,
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> Please send me the most recent draft. I will review it, and if
> necessary, have the members of the LMSC executive committee
> review it as
> well before providing feedback.
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> Regards,
>
> --Paul Nikolich
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maki, Luke" <luke.maki@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <j.carlo@xxxxxxxx>; <P.Nikolich@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Are you aware of this?
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> Paul:
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> Let me know if you need the latest; there have been some
> updates to it,
> although it has been more to the policy side rather than the technical
> side.
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> - Luke
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Carlo [mailto:j.carlo@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 1:51 PM
> To: Maki, Luke
> Cc: Paul Nikolich
> Subject: RE: Are you aware of this?
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> Paul Nikolich - any issues? Luke, you may need to send to Paul the
> latest and greatest.
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> Jim Carlo (j.carlo@xxxxxxxx) Phone:1-214-693-1776 Fax:1-214-853-5274
> J.Carlo Consulting LLC (Focus on Telecom Strategy/Standards/Patents)
> President, IEEE Standards Association
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maki, Luke [mailto:luke.maki@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:03 PM
> To: j.carlo@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: FW: Are you aware of this?
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> Jim:
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> What is the status on the SA being up to speed on Alan
> McAdams paper? We
> are trying to determine if IEEEE-USA CCIP should 'approve' it as an
> IEEE-USA paper, or not, and I surely don't want to proceed if it does
> not have the backing of the SA.
>
> Your help would be GREATLY appreciated. Please let me know ASAP that
> you received this, and what kind of timeframe might be
> necessary to work
> the 'issues.'
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Luke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d.rudolph@xxxxxxxx [mailto:d.rudolph@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:14 AM
> To: Maki, Luke
> Subject: RE: Are you aware of this?
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> any response on this from carlo?
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> Deborah Rudolph
> Manager, Technology Policy Activities
> IEEE-USA
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> "Maki, Luke"
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> I just sent a note to Jim Carlo as I see he was on the
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> From: d.rudolph@xxxxxxxx [mailto:d.rudolph@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:31 PM
> To: drudol@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: luke.maki@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Are you aware of this?
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> Deborah Rudolph
> Manager, Technology Policy
> IEEE-USA
> 1828 L Street, NW #1202
> Washington, DC 20036
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> ----- Forwarded by Deborah Rudolph/IEEE-USA/STAFF/US/IEEE on
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> Tom Talley
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> Debbie,
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> I was searching for some IEEE-USA stuff on the web and ran
> across this.
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> I'm sure it has been delt with, but thought you ought to see it.
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> http://www.ieee802.org/secmail/msg03087.html
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> Have we reviewed the "urgent" strategy document with the organizations
> mentioned?
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> Tom Talley
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