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Re: [802.19] Mariana's Straw Poll



OK, I'll take the bait...
 
I would say, yes, sharing a geo database is a form of coordination if that data is used to decide what other spectrum users are likely to be in the spectrum.  I'm not saying I think it is a good coexistence coordination mechanism, but it is a coordination mechanism.  
 
I would say depending on a database requires a control channel, to access the database.   Unless you figure that every device has the database burned into its local memory...but then, how would it be kept up to date? Oh, that would require a control channel....
 
I am still just not getting this: how can a wireless devices access the database at all? Seems a self referential loop: it needs to access the medium to get to the database to figure out if it is OK to access the medium. I don't get that, but then, I'm new to this WS stuff.  So here's a shot at a generalized definition:
 
coordinated coexistence: Actively exchanging information between systems so that spectrum access can be coordinated to assure coexistence.
 
There you go, an opening shot...fire away!
 
-Ben
 
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Benjamin A. Rolfe
Blind Creek Associates
 
"Even a fish could stay out of trouble if it could learn to keep its mouth shut" - Anonymous fisherman
 
 

 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [802.19] Mariana's Straw Poll

I suggest we add "coordinated" to the list of terms we need to define before we get too far down the road.  Is sharing a geolocation database considered coordination, or is a "control channel" required?
 
Rich
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [802.19] Mariana's Straw Poll

Those two questions beg some additional comments:
The second asks TWO questions: should a coordination protocol be developed, and if so, centralized or distributed?
The my answer is "yes" and "distributed".
 
It seems to me the definition of WS is coordinated access.  But not all devices will be capable of common signaling (i.e. able to exchange information with each other). This may complicate coexistence a bit :0).  A centralized solution assumes all participants can exchange information.  A distributed approach can take advantage of shared information, but also can provide independent means. Seems like all the focus is already on the centralized approach, which doesn't seem to account for all potential spectrum users, so a good thing for 802 to provide is an alternative distributed coexistence strategy that fills the 'gap' so to speak.
 
Just a thought....probably redundant, but offered FWIW.
-Ben
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Benjamin A. Rolfe
Blind Creek Associates
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: [802.19] Mariana's Straw Poll

All,

 

                Mariana has suggested another straw poll with two questions.

 

                Please fill out your responses at,

 

                http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=DlKy49q0Y5KLLXRuTzbsWQ_3d_3d

 

Steve