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G’day Steve I have uploaded the latest version that covers most comments sent to me, including yours below – see
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/15/19-15-0063-06-0000-proposal-for-ieee-802-submission-to-3gpp.pptx Andrew General
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SS> There are a number of 802.11 acronyms used in this presentation. It might be good to write out the full name the first time the acronym is used.
I think I have caught most of them. Yell if you spot anymore Slide 3
· SS> Do we have a reference for the “evidence based approach”?
Do we need one? It is sort of obvious that we should make decisions based on evidence
· SS> What is meant by a “collaborative processes for all stakeholders to have a real say in LAA coexistence mechanisms”?
I have changes text to “IEEE 802 requests 3GPP develop collaborative processes for all stakeholders to have a voice in LAA coexistence mechanisms”. Further explanation of this point is on slides 9-13 Slide 10
· SS> This slide is quite confrontational, which will most likely result in a negative reaction from members of 3GPP. I think this could be reworded to be more positive, and hence make it more constructive.
I have write the whole “aside” section. See slides 9-13 Slide 11
· We should provide some specific suggestions here. They did just invite us to the workshop, so if we want something specific beyond that we should tell them.
Now covered in slides 12-13 Slide 15
· Is the “defer” period analogous to SIFS, DIFS, etc.?
Now slide 17. I have added a reference to “a following slide” (slide 17) where this is answered
· How do you recommend LAA reserve the channel so that Wi-Fi is aware of the reservation? Is this Wi-Fi CTS?
Now slide 17. Great question. It is not addressed here because there is only so much you can put on one slide. The question/answer is alluded to on slides 37-38. It would be a great topic for collaboration
· ss> Here a picture would be worth at least 100 words, maybe 1000 words.
Now slide 17. My artistic ability is not up to the challenge. I could not think of sufficiently illustrative pictures. However, I cleaned up and reduced the text
Slide 16
· ss> I assume you mean that energy detection is performed during each slot in which the device is not transmitting.
Now slide 18. Yes. That should be implicit by the way the slot is defined Slide 17
· ss> As I understand it the use of different lengths of defer periods in Wi-Fi is primarily for prioritization, is this really useful for coexistence between LAA and Wi-Fi?
Now slide 19. Yes, if LAA wants to do prioritization. We have a question about that on slide 27 Slide 18
· ss> A reference would be useful here
Added references Slide 38
· ss> A reference would be useful here
I will need to look. Does anyone else have easy access to some document numbers? From: Shellhammer, Steve [mailto:sshellha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Andrew, I just got a chance to review your latest set of slides. I prepared some comments and questions for the call. Regards, Steve ------------------------------------------------- Comments and Questions General
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There are a number of 802.11 acronyms used in this presentation. It might be good to write out the full name the first time the acronym is used. Slide 3
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Do we have a reference for the “evidence based approach”?
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What is meant by a “collaborative processes for all stakeholders to have a real say in LAA coexistence mechanisms”? Slide 10
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This slide is quite confrontational, which will most likely result in a negative reaction from members of 3GPP. I think this could be reworded to be more positive, and hence make it more constructive. Slide 11
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We should provide some specific suggestions here. They did just invite us to the workshop, so if we want something specific beyond that we should tell them. Slide 15
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Is the “defer” period analogous to SIFS, DIFS, etc.?
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How do you recommend LAA reserve the channel so that Wi-Fi is aware of the reservation? Is this Wi-Fi CTS?
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Here a picture would be worth at least 100 words, maybe 1000 words. Slide 16
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I assume you mean that energy detection is performed during each slot in which the device is not transmitting. Slide 17
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As I understand it the use of different lengths of defer periods in Wi-Fi is primarily for prioritization, is this really useful for coexistence between LAA and Wi-Fi? Slide 18
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A reference would be useful here Slide 38
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A reference would be useful here -----Original Message----- G'day all As promised the latest version is at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/15/19-15-0063-04-0000-proposal-for-ieee-802-submission-to-3gpp.pptx Comments welcome ... and thanks to all those that have provided comments so far. The comments have made the document much better! :) It is still a little long but it is structured in a way that means it can be presented in a time that represents the time available Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Myles (amyles) Sent: Monday, 3 August 2015 1:11 PM To: 'yamadaakira@xxxxxxxxxxxxx';
STDS-802-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [802.19] Request for suggestions to make 19-15-0063 better! G'day Akira Done! Thanks for your input I will upload a new version later today (my time) Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Akira Yamada [mailto:yamadaakira@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, 31 July 2015 5:41 PM To:
STDS-802-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Andrew Myles (amyles) Subject: Re: [802.19] Request for suggestions to make 19-15-0063 better! Dear Andrew-- I appreciate your creating great presentation material for the upcoming LAA workshop. Regarding my comment in the previous teleconference on TxOP duration in slide p34, please refer to the Section 4.3.2 in TR36.889-d00. Burst transmission duration (=TxOP) in Japanese regulation is limited < 4.0ms, to
enable co-existance among several systems in 5GHz band. It looks "4ms" is the most severe rule compared with other countries.
That's why 3GPP simulates co-ex using TxOP < 4ms. Then, I would suggst change "5ms" to "4ms" in slide P34. Please let me know if there's any concern. Best Regards Akira Akira Yamada Research Laboratories, NTT DOCOMO,INC. On 2015/07/28 14:00, Andrew Myles (amyles) wrote: > G'day all > > The latest version of the proposed 802 submission to the 3GPP workshop
> is > Thank you to those who provided comments > > Roger, I will be attending the 802.19 call but may be a couple of
> minutes late > > Andrew > > *From:*Andrew Myles (amyles) > *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:22 PM > *To:*
STDS-802-19@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* [802.19] Request for suggestions to make 19-15-0063 better! > > G'day all > > Last week I presented >
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/15/19-15-0063-00-0000-proposal-for- > ieee-802-submission-to-3gpp.pptx as the basis of a possible submission
> from IEEE 802 to the 3GPP Workshop at the end of August. Many people
> provided excellent comments and suggested refinements during the
> meeting. As requested, some people have sent me their comments via
> e-mail. However, many have not yet done so. Please send me any
> comments or suggestions so that I can incorporate them into the next
> version for discussion at the upcoming > 802.19 WG teleconferences. And on that topic, could someone please > send out details for the scheduled teleconferences; when, where and how? > > Steve, the draft minutes are incorrect. The session at which "/Jingyi
> Zhou and Mingxi Fan presented a Liaison presentation on LTE-U, in
> document 802.19/15-57r1/." was held on Tuesday, 14 July and not
> Wednesday, 15 July. > > Andrew > |