RE: stds-80220-requirements: Comment on Functional  requirements d document.
Dan,
Jim,
 
Vladimir asked a very important question.  He said, "The question is 
whether 802.20 is interested in having "PHY plurality"
features already in 
requirements. (emphasis added)"  The excellent point that he 
raised was that the reference model in the
document imposes a requirement to be able to support multiple PHYs 
on a common MAC.  Note that while some, but not
all, 
802 standards provide for this, it is actually precedent-setting for 
mobile system standards.  We had a couple of 
contributions
to the 
March meeting that described the performance benefits that can be 
achieved by tightly coupling MAC/PHY design. 
Regardless of what 802.20 decides, I would argue 
that this as a debate on how the 802.20 requirements will 
be implemented
and, 
therefore, should be outside of the scope of an 802.20 Functional 
Requirements Document.  
 
Best regards,
 
Joanne
 
 
Joanne 
Wilson
ArrayComm, Inc.
Tel:  (202) 669-4006
Fax: (253) 484-0330
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To: Gal, Dan 
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Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: 
Comment on Functional requirements d document.
At 01:39 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, Gal, Dan (Dan) wrote:
  All,
 
Vladimir is raising a very valid question, a question the entire 
    802.20 working group should debate. 
Dan, I 
  agree.  Let's include a note in the open issues part of the document so 
  it can be discussed and the diagram modified in accordance with that 
  discussion in SFO.  
As noted by Vladimir, this was taken from 
  some 802.11 (and 802.15) materials as a starting point familiar to those 
  working within 802. Of course multiple PHY are allowed within the 802.11 
  spec.  Regardless of the group's decision on the multiple PHY issue, a 
  model with a clear breakdown in functionality also helps to cleanly specify 
  tthe air interface.  I get nervous about the quality of the spec when I 
  hear "MAC and PHY are inextricably woven together" from some 
  participants.  For the purposes of clean specification, we should attempt 
  to separate the functionality (regardless of how it actually gets 
  built).  This will reduce down-stream problems with the 
  spec.
Jim
  
 
Dan Gal 
Lucent Technologies 
    O
Mobility Solutions 
Wireless Standards Development
email: 
    dgal@lucent.com 
phone: +1 
    973-428-7734 
    
      - -----Original Message----- 
      
- From: Vladimir Yanover [mailto:vladimir.yanover@alvarion.com] 
      
- Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:43 AM 
      
- To: 'Jim Tomcik'; Mcginniss, Dave S [GMG] 
      
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- Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Comment on Functional 
      requirements d ocument.
      
      - Hello,
  
      -  
      
- with respect to comments addressing the Reference Model, let me point 
      that this model,
  
      - apparently copied from 802.11, was intentionally constructed in such a 
      way to allow
  
      - single MAC-different  PHYs combinations. There is a single MAC 
      and several different PHYs in 802.11:
  
      - DSSS, FHSS, OFDM, IR, ... This is why the 802.11 model contains 
      Physical Layer Convergence Procedure (PLCP) 
 
      - sublayer which depends on the specific PHY. Note also the name 
      "PMD"
  (Physical Medium 
      Dependent) for sublayer 
      - which represents different PHY options. The question is whether 802.20 
      is interested in having "PHY plurality" features
  
      - already in requirements.
  
      -  
      
- Vladimir Yanover
  
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      - -----Original Message----- 
      
- From: Jim Tomcik [mailto:jtomcik@qualcomm.com] 
      
- Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:17 AM 
      
- To: Mcginniss, Dave S [GMG] 
      
- Cc: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org 
      
- Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements: Comment on Functional 
      requirements document.
      
      - At 01:24 PM 7/15/2003 -0500, Mcginniss, Dave S [GMG] wrote:
      
        - I have had some comments indicating that section 3.1.1 MBWA-Specific 
        Reference Model is to detailed and make the assumption that the MAC and 
        PHY should be separate allowing different MAC/PHY to be used in 
        combination.  It has been discussed that the layers would be so 
        tightly coupled that this model is not appropriate. I for one agree with 
        this assessment and suggest striking this diagram and 
        reducing
 
   
      Dave,
      For implementation I believe others can couple MAC and PHY as tightly 
      as desired, however for the purposes of standardizing the functionality a 
      Reference model such as that shown should be used to capture the 
      appropriate functionality and describe it in a non-confusing way.  As 
      we proceed towards a standards development, lets not muddle the layers 
      together - makes the standard that much more difficult to understand and 
      implement.
      Jim
      
        David S. McGinniss 
        Sprint Broadband Wireless Group 
        Principal Engineer II 
        (630) 926-3184 
        david.s.mcginniss@mail.sprint.com 
         
         
         
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