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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Aditya Agrawal" <aagrawal@fma.fujitsu.com>
To: <stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org>
Cc: <fwatanabe@ieee.org>; <trinkwon@compuserve.com>;
<Mark.Cudak@motorola.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel bandwidth
resolution


> I support Fujio Watanabe's comments. It makes sense to define 10MHz and
> 20MHz
> channels for evaluation purposes in addition to 5MHz channels since
broader
> channels is what will add value.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Aditya Agrawal
> Fujitsu Microelectronics America
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fujio Watanabe" <fwatanabe@ieee.org>
> To: "David Trinkwon" <trinkwon@compuserve.com>; "Mark Cudak"
> <Mark.Cudak@motorola.com>; <stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org>
> Cc: "Gal, Dan (Dan)" <dgal@lucent.com>; "'Joanne Wilson'"
> <joanne@arraycomm.com>; "Wallace, Stewart J"
> <Stewart.J.Wallace@team.telstra.com>; <J.Fan@flarion.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel bandwidth
> resolution
>
>
> > I support Mark Cudak and David Trinkwon's comments.
> >
> > Since a broad bandwidth is the current trend of mobile communications,
> > a broad channel with a bandwidth as that of used in 802.11, i.e.,
> > 20MHz
> should
> > be one of the concrete value. The 100MHz channel is too broad to
> > discuss
> at
> > the moment. Accordingly, I would like to work on the solutions of the
> 802.11
> > bandwidth.
> >
> > Now, let's review the comments on "available" bandwidth segmentation
> > of licensed bands below 3.5GHz that has been discussed earlier. People
> > from different countries mentioned the specific frequency allocation
> > based on that country's regulations. As we all know, most countries
> > have different frequency allocations for mobile communications before
> > the universal frequency band was allocated to IMT-2000 systems.
> > However, since the
> 802.20
> > is going to develop an international standard, I don't think it is
> rationale
> > to create a standard that will only meet one specific country's
> regulation.
> > For example N * 1KHz may cover regulations of all countries, however,
> > this will be meaningless and out of our interest.
> >
> > Accordingly, as I proposed in my earlier comments, we need to come up
> > with concrete values that are independent of any country regulations.
> > The
> values
> > should then be used for an evaluation purpose. If we like to apply the
> > standard to one or more specific countries to meet their regulation
> > requirements, we might need to establish special Task Groups like TGh
> > and TGj in the IEEE802.11 in the future.
> >
> > Based on the above, I support Mark's proposal to define 1.25 MHz,
> > 2.5MHz, 5MHz, 10MHz, and 20MHz bandwidth for the evaluation purpose.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Fujio Watanabe
> > DoCoMo USA Labs
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Trinkwon" <trinkwon@compuserve.com>
> > To: "Mark Cudak" <Mark.Cudak@motorola.com>;
> > <stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org>
> > Cc: "Gal, Dan (Dan)" <dgal@lucent.com>; "'Joanne Wilson'"
> > <joanne@arraycomm.com>; "Wallace, Stewart J"
> > <Stewart.J.Wallace@team.telstra.com>; <J.Fan@flarion.com>;
> > <fwatanabe@ieee.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel
> > bandwidth resolution
> >
> >
> > > I agree with Mark's comments and proposal. These can be stated as
> > "examples"
> > > or "targets".
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org
> > > [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Mark Cudak
> > > Sent: 22 August 2003 22:32
> > > To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > Cc: Gal, Dan (Dan); 'Joanne Wilson'; Wallace, Stewart J;
> > > J.Fan@flarion.com; fwatanabe@ieee.org
> > > Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel
> > > bandwidth resolution
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All:
> > >
> > > After listening to the various arguments put forward regarding the
> > > channel bandwidth requirements, I would like to express support for
> > > Fujio Watanabe's original position that we consider broader
> > > bandwidths of 5 MHz and beyond.
> > >
> > > Although the 1.25 MHz may be appropriate for some existing spectrum
> > > allocations, I do not favor concatenating multiple 1.25 MHz
> > > solutions to form wider bandwidth solutions (especially for
> > > bandwidths above 5 MHz, where an air-interface designed to occupy
> > > the whole bandwidth may be more efficient).
> > >
> > > At this point, I don't want to close the door on 20 MHz solutions.
> > > Nor do I want to relegate them to be multiple carrier versions of a
> > > 1st generation 1.25 MHz 802.20 standard.  I fear that expressing the
> > > bandwidth as a multiple of 1.25 or 2.5 MHz will later be interpreted
> > > as a consensus on the concept of concatenating multiple 1.25 MHz
> > > carriers.  Alternatively, this expression may be falsely
> > > interpreted to imply that all proposals should scale in
> > > bandwidth having operating modes which support Nx1.25 MHz
> > > bandwidths.  As a result, I would much prefer that we
> > > explicitly state the bandwidths we are considering in the
> > > requirements as being 1.25 MHz, 2.5 MHz, 5 MHz, 10 MHz, 20
> > > MHz etc.  I believe that in this way we will not restrict
> > > the ultimate solution and avoid misunderstandings in the
> > > future.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Mark Cudak
> > > Motorola
> > >
> > >
> > > Gal, Dan (Dan) said the following on 8/21/2003 4:10 PM:
> > >
> > > > Joanne and Stewart,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you both for your scholarly comments. May I also suggest
> > > > that these comments be reflected in all the appropriate places in
> > > > the System Requirements document, particularly sections 4.1.4 and
> > > > 4.3 which are quite critical for the subsequent 802.20 standard
> > > > development work.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > *From:* Joanne Wilson [mailto:joanne@arraycomm.com]
> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:40 PM
> > > > *To:* Wallace, Stewart J; Gal, Dan (Dan)
> > > > *Cc:* stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > > *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 - Channel
> > > > bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >     Stewart,
> > > >
> > > >     I am in 100% agreement with all of your comments!
> > > >
> > > >     Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >     Joanne
> > > >
> > > >         -----Original Message-----
> > > >         *From:* Wallace, Stewart J
> > > >         [mailto:Stewart.J.Wallace@team.telstra.com]
> > > >         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > >         *To:* Joanne Wilson; Gal, Dan (Dan)
> > > >         *Cc:* stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >         *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on rev5 -
> > > >         Channel bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >         Joanne,
> > > >
> > > >         Yes - that's quite a good summary of the situation - I am
> > > >         directly involved in the ongoing ITU-R study groups, and
also
> > > >         participate as a part of the Australian Delegation to the
> > > >         WRC's (incl the WRC-03 just finished).  Services (capital
'S')
> > > >         refers to ITU-R allocations - but, beneath that global
> > > >         structure, national administrations can make sub-allocations
> > > >         to "applications" (eg.within the MS we have: GSM, IS-95
CDMA,
> > > >         UMTS, cdma2000, etc.).  Furthermore, national
administrations
> > > >         make "assignments" to specific operators/users (or classes
of
> > > >         users) evidenced by the issue of "licences" to those
> > > >         operators/users.
> > > >
> > > >         Minor note - in Australia, we refer to the "unlicensed"
> > > >         applications as operating under a "Class Licence" which
> > > >         specifies generic technical characteristics, limits, etc.
for
> > > >         operation in the relevant 'public park' spectrum
allocations -
> > > >         eg. RLANs, cordless phones, garage door openers, model
> > > >         airplanes, ISM applications, etc..  Other spectrum bands are
> > > >         subject to explicit licensing of devices and/or operators.
> > > >
> > > >         Moving away from the detailed terminology, my original
> > > >         comments were simply aimed at ensuring that 802.20 did not
> > > >         unduly constrain itself as an emerging commercial technology
> > > >         by somewhat hastily mandating a 'wide' spectral occupancy
> > > >         granularity (> 1.25MHz) that had the effect of excluding it
> > > >         from many of the current national band structures.  As I
> > > >         mentioned in an earlier e-mail, national regulators are
> > > >         typically reticent (or at least extremely cautious) to
> > > >         redesign band plans, unless there is overwhelming need,
since
> > > >         it is a complex regulatory task and it needs to be done
> > > >         carefully while bearing in mind lingering incumbent users
who
> > > >         often cannot be readily displaced due to possible negative
> > > >         community impact.  See my earlier e-mail response to Dan Gal
&
> > > >         the group.
> > > >
> > > >         One further point, while I made reference to the Australian
> > > >         3.4 GHz band, this was only because someone earlier
(~Mar'03?)
> > > >         suggested that it was a candidate band for 802.20 and I felt
> > > >         it useful to remind ourselves of the implications on
spectral
> > > >         granularity of such a vision.  However, it seems to me that
> > > >         802.20 is primarily a mobile application, and therefore more
> > > >         likely to be deployed in the MS allocations: eg. 800, 900,
> > > >         1400/1500, 1700/1800/1900, 2100, 2500 MHz bands.
> > > >         But, significantly, most of them are based on structures
much
> > > >         more amenable to a 1.25MHz granularity, rather than a wider
> > > >         raster.  Thus, I strongly support a minimum granularity of
> > > >         1.25MHz (but not larger) for 802.20.
> > > >
> > > >         In regard to the 3.4 GHz band, in actuality it may be that
> > > >         802.16 is a stronger candidate for that particular band
since
> > > >         it is based on a 3.5MHz channel plan - and the 3.4 GHz band
is
> > > >         currently designated for Fixed Services (only - as opposed
to
> > > >         MS) in Region 3, so we may confront certain global
regulatory
> > > >         difficulties for 802.20 in this band, especially as it is
also
> > > >         variously designated for Fixed Satellite Services.
> > > >
> > > >         In summary, I am suggesting that 802.20 be based on a
minimum
> > > >         spectral granularity of 1.25MHz - and, yes, that may lead to
> > > >         some extra 'guard band', but at least we foster greater
> > > >         commercial deployment with minimal constraints.  Then, we
> > > >         leave it up to national administrations to decide if they
wish
> > > >         to undertake band structure redesigns to squeeze a bit more
> > > >         utility out of particular domestic plans, by minimising
> > > >         unnecessary guard bands.
> > > >
> > > >         I hope this assists in moving toward consensus.
> > > >
> > > >         regards
> > > >
> > > >         *Stewart J Wallace*
> > > >         *Technical Regulatory Manager*
> > > >         */Radiocommunications & Wireless Networks/*
> > > >         *Telstra Regulatory Directorate*
> > > >         Tel: (+61 3) 8627 8053
> > > >         Fax: (+61 3) 9614 0670
> > > >
> > > >             -----Original Message-----
> > > >             *From:* Joanne Wilson [mailto:joanne@arraycomm.com]
> > > >             *Sent:* Thursday, 21 August 2003 7:31 AM
> > > >             *To:* Gal, Dan (Dan); David Trinkwon; 'Michael
Youssefmir'
> > > >             *Cc:* 'Fujio Watanabe'; Klerer Mark; Wallace, Stewart J;
> > > >             stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula, Ganesh
> > > >             *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on
rev5 -
> > > >             Channel bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >             Dan,
> > > >
> > > >             It would be helpful if we were somewhat strict in our
> > > >             terminology.  At the international (i.e. ITU, WRC)
level,
> > > >             bands are allocated to different Services
(capitalization
> > > >             here is important).  Those Services include the MOBILE
> > > >             Service (MS), MOBILE SATELLITE Service (MSS), FIXED
> > > >             Service (FS), BROADCAST Service (BS), BROADCAST
> > > >             SATELLITE Service (BSS), and others.    They are
allocated
> > > >             on a PRIMARY or Secondary basis.  (Again, capitalization
> > > >             here is important.)  None of this has anything to do
with
> > > >             licenses.  This is specifically related to the
allocations
> > > >             within the International Radio Regulations and such
> > > >             decisions are made at World Radiocommunications
> Conferences.
> > > >
> > > >             Administrations make national allocations within the
> > > >             context of the International Radio Regulations.  They
can
> > > >             choose
> > > >             to allocate (within their jurisdiction) MS spectrum for
> > > >             particular uses (i.e. services with a small "s"),
> > > >             including  Public Safety, Commercial Mobile Radio, etc.,
> > > >             and determine (authorize) who gets to use that spectrum
or
> > > >             how the spectrum is to be used .  Spectrum allocated
> > > >             (nationally) for exclusive use of a single party
> > > >             (operator) is LICENSED (capitalize here for emphasis
> > > >             only).  Those licenses are assigned by some mechanism --
> > > >             the US uses auctions, other administrations use
> > > >             that or other techniques. Or, as in the RLAN situation,
> > > >             they will allow equipment that meets a certain set of
> > > >             technical rules to share the band with no authorization
> > > >             (licensing) of the user required.  In the US this is
> > > >             referred to as an Unlicensed service and it is called
> > > >             License-Exempt in other markets.
> > > >
> > > >             I went through that primer to make the following point.
> > > >                 1)  The PAR said "licensed" to mean systems that are
> > > >             operate in the band exclusively, not shared with other
> > systems
> > > >                      as in the RLAN case.  This was to distinguish
> > > >             802.20 systems from RLANS and other systems that are
> > > >             Unlicensed
> > > >                      and operate in a band on a shared basis.
> > > >                 2)  The PAR didn't address whether the entity with
the
> > > >             license to operate the 802.20 system was an "existing"
or
> > > >                      "new" operator.  Frankly, in the context of
> > > >             standards development, that's totally irrelevant.
> > > >                 3)   The PAR said allocated to the Mobile Service
> > > >             because MBWA systems would meet the definition of a
Mobile
> > > >                       system and, from a regulatory perspective, and
> > > >             could only be operated within those allocations.
> > > >             Identifying the MS
> > > >                       allows one to identify blocks of spectrum
where
> > > >             MBWA systems could be authorized to operate.  Specific
> > > >             bands are
> > > >                       an issue for national regulators, not the ITU.
> > > >                 4)   The PAR did not take a position on whether the
> > > >             spectrum had previously been allocated to the MS or not,
> > > >             because
> > > >                       again that is irrelevant.
> > > >
> > > >             It's an interesting and, frankly, unconventional
> > > >             explanation of "existing" as meaning "allocated and
> > > >             available".  However,
> > > >             under that definition, I don't know what you mean by
when
> > > >             you say, "1.25 MHz and 5 MHz channels exist".  Did you
> > > >             mean that in some countries there is MS spectrum that
> > > >             is "allocated and available" for deploying a system with
> > > >             1.25 MHz or 5 MHz channel bandwidth?  If that's what you
> > > >             meant, then I guess I would agree although I'm not sure
> > > >             what you mean by "available".  Regarding the problem of
> > > >             wasting .5 MHz of spectrum on internal guardbands,
that's
> > > >             not at all unusual and is often required for two systems
> > > >             to operate effectively in adjacent bands -- even if they
> > > >             are both FDD systems.   I note that with 1.25
MHz/carrier,
> > > >             cdma2000 operators typically deploy only 3 carriers, not
> > > >             4, within a 5 MHz allocation.  They are in fact choosing
> > > >             to have 625kHz guardbands on each side of their band.
So,
> > > >             using 2.5 MHz of spectrum for an MBWA system within a
3.5
> > > >             MHz license and "wasting" 1 MHz of spectrum on internal
> > > >             guardbands fits with standard industry practice.
> > > >
> > > >             Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >             Joanne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >              -----Original Message-----
> > > >             *From:* Gal, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dgal@lucent.com]
> > > >             *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:39 PM
> > > >             *To:* 'Joanne Wilson'; David Trinkwon; Gal, Dan (Dan);
> > > >             'Michael Youssefmir'
> > > >             *Cc:* 'Fujio Watanabe'; Klerer Mark; 'Wallace, Stewart
J';
> > > >             stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula, Ganesh
> > > >             *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on
rev5 -
> > > >             Channel bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >                 Joanne & All,
> > > >
> > > >                 Just to clarify:
> > > >                 In my previous message I wrote: "...the declared
> > > >                 objectives of the PAR are also to deploy in existing
> > > >                 licensed bands and to reuse existing infrastructure.
"
> > > >                 The PAR does not say "existing" (vis-a-vis "Licensed
> > > >                 spectrum").  I added this word to emphasize
> > > >                 my interpretation of the PAR; that the IEEE 802.20
> > > >                 standard project would develop an air interface that
> > > >                 is deployable in Licensed bands (i.e., bands
allocated
> > > >                 by regulatory bodies for Land Mobile communications
> > > >                 service), not in some obscure future spectrum
> > > >                 allocation. The word "existing" is not absolute - it
> > > >                 is concurrent to the time the 802.20 standard is
> > > >                 invoked. Thus, spectrum that does not "exist" today
> > > >                 may very well "exist" (i.e., be "allocated and
> > > >                 available") next year or ten years from today. The
> > > >                 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz channels exist today and are
likely
> > > >                 to exist in the next twenty years and beyond. Even
if
> > > >                 larger spectrum BLOCKS (e.g., 20 MHz, 25 MHz, or
even
> > > >                 100 MHz) are allocated in the future for 3G/4G
mobile
> > > >                 communication service, a multi-carrier 802.20
solution
> > > >                 could be deployed in such ultra wide frequency
blocks.
> > > >                 Thus, a choice of 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz channels is a
> > > >                 future-proof.
> > > >
> > > >                 In an earlier message, Stewart mentioned that in
> > > >                 Australia, the 100 MHz block (3.425 GHz ~ 3.575 GHz)
> > > >                 is divided  into 3.5 MHz  "units" (i.e., licenses) -
> > > >                 for a TDD scheme I presume - and therefore he would
> > > >                 like to see an 802.20 standard that specifies a
> > > >                 channel (or channels) that would "fit" into one 3.5
> > > >                 MHz licensed spectrum. Obviously, a 5 MHz channel
> > > >                 would not be suitable, but, is a 1.25 MHz
> > > >                 channel acceptable? - after all, you would need to
> > > >                 deploy a two-carrier solution (2x1.25 MHz, or one
2.5
> > > >                 MHz TDD channel) and waste the remaining 1 MHz  on
two
> > > >                 0.5 MHz guard bands. Is my understanding correct?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                 Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                  Thus, -----Original Message-----
> > > >                 *From:* Joanne Wilson [mailto:joanne@arraycomm.com]
> > > >                 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:57 AM
> > > >                 *To:* David Trinkwon; Gal, Dan (Dan); 'Michael
> > Youssefmir'
> > > >                 *Cc:* 'Fujio Watanabe'; Klerer Mark; 'Wallace,
Stewart
> > > >                 J'; stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula,
> Ganesh
> > > >                 *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments on
> > > >                 rev5 - Channel bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >                     All,
> > > >
> > > >                     I agree with David that "existing bands" can
> > > >                     include those he mentions below.  This argues
> > > > for
> > the
> > > >                     kind of 1.25 MHz granularity that had been
> > > >                     proposed by Mike and others.  Of course, 802.20
> > > >                     systems
> > > >                     would be deployable whereever a service provider
> > > >                     has sufficient spectrum and the regulatory
> authority
> > > >                     permits its deployment -- whether the service
> > > >                     provider, the bands, and/or the infrastructure
is
> > > >                     "new" or "existing".
> > > >                     A key point raised in this discussion is how to
> > > >                     strike the balance in granularity between
> > > >                     providing enough
> > > >                     flexibility to allow 802.20 to be deployable in
a
> > > >                     variety of channel bandwidths while not
dictating
> > > >                     apriori a
> > > >                     particular technology or sub-channel
> > > > structure.
> > > >
> > > >                     Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >                     Joanne
> > > >                      -----Original Message-----
> > > >                     *From:* David Trinkwon
> > > >                     [mailto:trinkwon@compuserve.com]
> > > >                     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:31 AM
> > > >                     *To:* Gal, Dan (Dan); 'Michael Youssefmir'
> > > >                     *Cc:* 'Fujio Watanabe'; Joanne Wilson; Klerer
> > > >                     Mark; 'Wallace, Stewart J';
> > > >                     stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula,
> Ganesh
> > > >                     *Subject:* RE: stds-80220-requirements: comments
> > > >                     on rev5 - Channel bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >                         "Existing Bands" does include MMDS in the US
> > > >                         (and elsewhere) which are on a n x 6 MHz
> > > >                         basis, and the 3.4 - 3.6 MHz bands in
certain
> > > >                         countries (various block / channelization
> > > >                         schemes) - at least for "Portability" or
> > > >                         "Nomadic" purposes if not full mobility.
> > > >                         "Existing Infrastructure" obviously means
> > > >                         "where applicable" and does not always imply
> > > >                         "Existing Service Provider" especially when
/
> > > >                         where spectrum trading is introduced.
> > > >
> > > >                         A major objective of 802.20 is to move the
BWA
> > > >                         industry forward beyond 3G, not just get
stuck
> > > >                         in the same ruts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                           *
> > > >                           *David Trinkwon
> > > >                           Email :_ Trinkwon@compuserve.com_*
> > > >                           USA Tel : 650 245 5650            Fax :
650
> > > >                           649 2728
> > > >                           UK   Tel : +44 (0)7802 538315  Fax : +44
> > > >                           (0)20 7504 3586
> > > >
> > > >                           *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                         -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         From:
> > > >
> owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org
> > > >
> > > [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On
> > > >                         Behalf Of
> > > >                         Gal, Dan (Dan)
> > > >                         Sent: 19 August 2003 21:06
> > > >                         To: 'Michael Youssefmir'; Gal, Dan (Dan)
> > > >                         Cc: 'Fujio Watanabe'; Joanne Wilson; Klerer
> > > >                         Mark; 'Wallace, Stewart J';
> > > >                         stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula,
> > > >                         Ganesh
> > > >                         Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
comments
> > > >                         on rev5 - Channel
> > > >                         bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                         Mike,
> > > >
> > > >                         Well, yes. I recognize that the authors of
the
> > > >                         PAR did not want to commit the MBWA standard
> > > >                         to 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz channels only (hence
its
> > > >                         language; "e.g., 1.25 MHz, 5 MHz"), yet, the
> > > >                         declared objectives of the PAR are also to
> > > >                         deploy in existing licensed bands and to
reuse
> > > >                         existing infrastructure. The above channels
> > > >                         meet those criteria. There is little
practical
> > > >                         benefit in defining other ("future")
> > > >                         channel-BWs in 802.20 unless such channels
can
> > > >                         be made available for deployment. Perhaps
> > > >                         it would be best if we leave this issue for
> > > >                         work on future releases of IEEE 802.20?
> > > >
> > > >                         Dan
> > > >
> > > >                         -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         From: Michael Youssefmir
> > > >                         [mailto:mike@arraycomm.com]
> > > >                         Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:02 PM
> > > >                         To: Gal, Dan (Dan)
> > > >                         Cc: 'Fujio Watanabe'; Joanne Wilson; Klerer
> > > >                         Mark; 'Wallace, Stewart J';
> > > >                         stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org; Bharatula,
> > > >                         Ganesh
> > > >                         Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements:
comments
> > > >                         on rev5 - Channel
> > > >                         bandwidth resolution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                         Dan,
> > > >
> > > >                         Just to be clear, I think the PAR only talks
> > > >                         about 1.25MHz and 5MHz
> > > >                         as examples and not as mandates.
> > > >
> > > >                         Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                         On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 03:47:38PM -0400,
Gal,
> > > >                         Dan (Dan) wrote:
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > All,
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > My view is that we should stick to the PAR
> > > >                         definitions: 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz
> > > >                         channel-bandwidths for FDD, and, if I
> > > >                         understand correctly, 2.50 MHz and 10 MHz
> > > >                         channels BWs for TDD. In future releases of
> > > >                         IEEE 802.20, we may evaluate and adopt
broader
> > > >                         channels, as the evolving mobile wireless
> > > >                         market may require.
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > Dan
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > From: Fujio Watanabe
> > [mailto:fwatanabe@ieee.org]
> > > >                         > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 3:09 PM
> > > >                         > To: Joanne Wilson; Klerer Mark; 'Wallace,
> > > >                         Stewart J';
> > > >                         > stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > Cc: Bharatula, Ganesh
> > > >                         > Subject: Re: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5 - Channel
> > > >                         > bandwidth resolution
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > It is not practical to have one AI to fit
a
> > > >                         number of different bandwidths,
> > > >                         > although one may argue that SDR will
enable
> > > >                         it in the future. Since the
> > > >                         > technologies for an AI corresponding to a
> > > >                         specified bandwidth (e.g., narrow
> > > >                         > band) are most likely different from those
> > > >                         for another AI corresponding to
> > > >                         > another bandwidth (e.g., broadband), a
> > > >                         system cannot be specified without a
> > > >                         > concrete value of bandwidth. For example,
> > > >                         even if we tune some parameters of
> > > >                         > AI's in a PCS band, I don't think this AI
> > > >                         can work in a broad bandwidth
> > > >                         > case, such as 100MHz required for the
> > > >                         systems beyond IMT-2000 according to
> > > >                         > WRC'2003. Therefore, I would like to see
> > > >                         several typical bandwidths
> > > >                         > specified for the MBWA.
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > By the way, if 1.25MHz is called
> > > >                         "broadband",  what will we call 100MHz?
> > > >                         > -- super broadband :)
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > Fujio
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >                         > From: "Joanne Wilson"
<joanne@arraycomm.com>
> > > >                         > To: "Klerer Mark" <M.Klerer@flarion.com>;
> > > >                         "'Wallace, Stewart J'"
> > > >                         > <Stewart.J.Wallace@team.telstra.com>;
> > > >                         <stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org>
> > > >                         > Cc: "Bharatula, Ganesh"
> > > >                         <Ganesh.Bharatula@team.telstra.com>
> > > >                         > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:42 AM
> > > >                         > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5 - Channel bandwidth
> > > >                         > resolution
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I agree with Mark, Stewart, Arif and
Mike
> > > >                         on this point.  If we adopt
> > > >                         > > a plan for only 5, 10, 15,... MHz
channel
> > > >                         bandwidths we will limiting the
> > > >                         > > market opportunity for 802.20 systems
> > > >                         unnecessarily.  From an economies
> > > >                         > > of scale perspective, I don't see how
that
> > > >                         would be in any of our
> > > >                         > interests.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Best regards,
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Joanne
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > From:
> > > >
> owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org
> > > >                         > >
> > > >
> > > [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On
> > > >                         Behalf Of
> > > >                         > > Klerer Mark
> > > >                         > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:00 AM
> > > >                         > > To: 'Wallace, Stewart J';
> > > >                         stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > > Cc: Bharatula, Ganesh
> > > >                         > > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5 - Channel
> > > >                         > > bandwidth resolution
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I agree with Stewart and Arif. I believe
> > > >                         we are trying to spec a system
> > > >                         > that
> > > >                         > > is deployable in the identified spectrum
> > > >                         space and is scalable with
> > > >                         > existing
> > > >                         > > market demands and constraints.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Mark Klerer
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > From: Wallace, Stewart J
> > > >                         [mailto:Stewart.J.Wallace@team.telstra.com]
> > > >                         > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:59 PM
> > > >                         > > To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > > Cc: Bharatula, Ganesh
> > > >                         > > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5 - Channel bandwidth
> > > >                         > > resolution
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > section 4.1.4
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > In the case of Australia, I would just
> > > >                         like to highlight that the 3.4GHz
> > > >                         > > band (covering 3.425 GHz ~ 3.575 GHz)
has
> > > >                         already been licenced under a
> > > >                         > > 15-year assured tenure regime, based on
a
> > > >                         lot size granularity of 3.5 MHz.
> > > >                         > > This approach was taken by our regulator
> > > >                         in view of current FWA
> > > >                         > technologies
> > > >                         > > as the primary usage at that time.  I
> > > >                         understand that there are several
> > > >                         > > other countries with similar band
> > > >                         structures (although not necessarily
> > > >                         > with
> > > >                         > > the same tenure regime).  Thus, a 5MHz
> > > >                         minimum channelisation restriction
> > > >                         > > would seem to potentially exclude
> > > >                         Australia (at least) from the MBWA
> > > >                         > market
> > > >                         > > for the next 15+ years.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > In that context, I would suggest that a
> > > >                         more flexible approach as
> > > >                         > suggested
> > > >                         > > by Arif would seem to be more prudent.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > regards
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Stewart J Wallace
> > > >                         > > Technical Regulatory Manager
> > > >                         > > Radiocommunications & Wireless Networks
> > > >                         > > Telstra Regulatory Directorate
> > > >                         > > Tel: (+61 3) 8627 8053
> > > >                         > > Fax: (+61 3) 9614 0670
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > From: Ansari, Arif
> > > >                         [mailto:Arif.Ansari@Nextel.com]
> > > >                         > > Sent: Friday, 15 August 2003 8:33 AM
> > > >                         > > To: Sheikh, Khurram P [GMG]; Fujio
> Watanabe;
> > > >                         > > stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > > Cc: Dennett, Steve
> > > >                         > > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > A 1.25 Mhz channel bandwidth is
consistent
> > > >                         with the preferred North
> > > >                         > American
> > > >                         > > granularity and is the motivation for
such
> > > >                         a channel bandwidth in 3GPP2.
> > > >                         > > The original text included 1.25 and 5
MHz
> > > >                         as examples, again consistent
> > > >                         > with
> > > >                         > > other standardization efforts to not
make
> > > >                         the channel bandwidth a
> > > >                         > > requirement.  This adequately covers the
> > > >                         mobile licensed band worldwide,
> > > >                         > and
> > > >                         > > the follow-on text also included the
> > > >                         possbility of wider channels.  At the
> > > >                         > > minimum, I would suggest that 1.25 MHz
not
> > > >                         be excluded, while 5 MHz and
> > > >                         > > multiples thereof can also be included.
> > > >                         Ideally I would like to see all
> > > >                         > > these channel bandwidths as no more than
> > > >                         examples.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > From: Sheikh, Khurram P [GMG]
> > > >                         [mailto:khurram.p.sheikh@mail.sprint.com]
> > > >                         > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:19 PM
> > > >                         > > To: Fujio Watanabe;
> > > >                         stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I would like to add to Fujio's comments
> > > >                         and my earlier contribution.
> > > >                         > > Multiples of 5 MHz is critical for both
a
> > > >                         technical performance as well
> > > >                         > > economic viability (capital efficiency)
> > > >                         given other performance
> > > >                         > > parameters (system throughput, number of
> > > >                         users, broadband data models
> > > >                         > > etc.)
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Thanks and look forward to any
rationales
> > > >                         why less than 5 MHz could be
> > > >                         > > an option for the MBWA system tied to
our
> > > >                         current performance
> > > >                         > > requirements.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Khurram P. Sheikh
> > > >                         > > Chief Technology Advisor
> > > >                         > > Sprint- Broadband Wireless
> > > >                         > > Tel (SM): 650-513-2056
> > > >                         > > Tel(KC): 913-762-1645
> > > >                         > > Mobile: 650-906-8989
> > > >                         > > khurram.p.sheikh@mail.sprint.com
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > From: Fujio Watanabe
> > > >                         [mailto:fwatanabe@ieee.org]
> > > >                         > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:57 PM
> > > >                         > > To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
> > > >                         > > Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I would like to make a comment on John's
> > > >                         email of July 23rd on section
> > > >                         > > 4.1.4
> > > >                         > > as follows.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I don't agree to eliminate this section
> > > >                         (John said "stricken") because
> > > >                         > > the
> > > >                         > > bandwidth is one of important basic
system
> > > >                         requirements.  A system
> > > >                         > > cannot be
> > > >                         > > specified without concrete values of
> > > >                         bandwidth.
> > > >                         > > A broader bandwidth is a current trend
of
> > > >                         wireless communications, e.g.,
> > > >                         > > WLAN (e.g., 20MHz), UWB (e.g., >300MHz),
> > > >                         possible systems beyond
> > > >                         > > IMT-2000
> > > >                         > > (e.g., 100MHz) as well as a general
> > > >                         requirement for Mobile "Broadband"
> > > >                         > > Wireless Access.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > I also understand John's rationale to
not
> > > >                         limit the lower bound of the
> > > >                         > > bandwidth.
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Therefore, how about to have several
> > > >                         typical numbers for the bandwidth
> > > >                         > > as
> > > >                         > > options in this section?
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Best Regards,
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > Fujio
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >                         > > > From: Fan John
> [mailto:J.Fan@flarion.com]
> > > >                         > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:15 PM
> > > >                         > > > To: 'stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org'
> > > >                         > > > Subject: stds-80220-requirements:
> > > >                         comments on rev5
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > > Hi all,
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > > These are comments on rev5 of the
> > > >                         document from Marc
> > > >                         > > > Goldberg, Michael Youssefmir, Samir
> > > >                         Kapoor, Joanne Wilson,
> > > >                         > > > Arif Ansari and John Fan.
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > > --John
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > > > 4.1.4. Channel Bandwidth
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > > Action: This section should be
stricken.
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > > > Rationale: The current text requires
> > > >                         "multiples of 5 MHz" for
> > > >                         > > > deployment. No rationale for 5Mhz has
> > > >                         been given on the
> > > >                         > > > reflector.  Beyond that, a 5 MHz
minimum
> > > >                         bandwidth would
> > > >                         > > > limit the applicability of the MBWA AI
> > > >                         in many of the
> > > >                         > > > available licensed bands below 3.5
GHz.
> > > >                         > > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >                         > >
> > > >
> > >
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