802.1q tagging, 
      PPP, or MPLS must be supported by the system (such that network egress 
      traffic can be switched by a L2 device to the appropriate L2 termination 
      device for managing backbone traffic or distinguishing traffic for 
      wholesale partners in a wholesale environment).
 
      
        -----Original 
        Message-----
From: 
        Mcginniss, Dave S [NTK] 
        [mailto:david.s.mcginniss@mail.sprint.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 
        2004 6:30 AM
To: Branislav Meandzija
Cc: 
        stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: RE: 
        stds-80220-requirements: 802.1q/p
        I don’t 
        understand your argument.  Support of these 802 standards do 
        exactly what you want offer the flexibility to support an architecture 
        other than PPP or MPLS.  I am not saying that it will be the only 
        mechanism to do so.  In fact MPLS would in fact be preferred in 
        current designs I have been evaluating.  If there is no support for 
        these standards it precludes the use for purpose I have offered as 
        reasons for their usage.  I just feel support for these 802 
        standards should not be overlooked by 802.20.
         
        
         
        -----Original 
        Message-----
From: 
        Branislav Meandzija [mailto:bran@arraycomm.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 
        2004 8:10 PM
To: Mcginniss, Dave S 
        [NTK]
Subject: RE: 
        stds-80220-requirements: 802.1q/p
         
        
        
        
        The current 
        requirements document text reads:
 
        
        
        
        802.1Q tagging must be supported by 
        the system (such that network egress traffic can be switched by a L2 
        device to the appropriate L2 termination device for managing backbone 
        traffic or distinguishing traffic for wholesale partners in a wholesale 
        environment).
 
        
        
        Which is 
        even way more in conflict with the "agnostic network 
        architecture" argument than even your proposal which I am appending 
        below. I am sure you understand our argument that using something like 
        PPP (as we are) or MPLS would do the job just as well. How can we put 
        this one to rest without mandating a network architecture solution? I 
        understand Sprint really has decided on 802.1q tagging, but 
        that is something you guys can specify in an RFI fro a particular 
        deployment. Others prefer PPP based solutions. So, it would really be 
        unfair and unreasonable for the standard to eliminate 
        those.
 
        
        
        
        
        
          -----Original 
          Message-----
From: 
          owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org 
          [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mcginniss, Dave S 
          [GMG]
Sent: 
          Monday, November 17, 
          2003 8:08 
          AM
To: 
          stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
Subject: stds-80220-requirements: 
          802.1q/p
          4.5.2       
          802.1Q/P tagging 
          (open)
          Editors 
          Note: This section is proposed for deletion because this is tied a 
          specific network architecture. 
          Current 
          text
          [802.1Q tagging must be 
          supported by the system (such that network egress traffic can be 
          switched by a L2 device to the appropriate L2 termination device for 
          managing backbone traffic or distinguishing traffic for wholesale 
          partners in a wholesale environment).]
           
          Proposed 
          Text
          802.1q 
          tagging should be supported by the 802.20 system or some other 
          mechanism (i.e. policy routing). Tagging will support the L2 switching 
          such that network egress traffic can be switched by a L2 device to the 
          appropriate L2 termination device for managing backbone traffic or 
          distinguishing traffic for wholesale partners in a wholesale 
          environment. Tagging can also be used to facilitate a retail captive 
          portal service model.  By tagging traffic from a mobile terminal 
          that is unknown (i.e. mobile terminal is un-provisioned) it can be 
          switched at L2 to a system enabling a self provisioning system 
          model.  By tagging control and management traffic it to can be 
          switched and separated as close to the base station as possible. All 
          of these can be accomplished at a higher layer but are simpler to 
          implement if 802.1Q tagging is supported.  
          802.1p
          The 802.1Q standard specifies that tags be 
          appended to a MAC frame. The VLAN tag carries VLAN information. The 
          VLAN tag has two parts: The VLAN ID (12-bit) and Prioritization 
          (3-bit). The 802.1P implementation defines the prioritization field. 
          802.1p defines a 32-bit tag header that is inserted after a frame's 
          normal destination and source address header info. Switches, routers, 
          servers, desktop systems, mobile terminals, or base stations can set 
          these priority bits.  Switches and routers can prioritize traffic 
          based on these tags. 
          Rational
          By driving 
          these functions to layer 2 a provider can build a flatter network 
          supporting simple IP handoff over a larger 802.20 coverage area.  
          These functions can be supported in other ways at a higher layer but 
          are most efficiently handled at layer 2.  The evaluation criteria 
          group should report support for tagging so that the 802.20 group can 
          factor support in the selection process.
           
           
          David S. 
          McGinniss
          Sprint 
          Broadband Wireless Group
          Principal 
          Engineer II 
          (630) 
          926-3184
david.s.mcginniss@mail.sprint.com