Sorry for going over a bit, yet again today. I like to finish the comment that we’re on rather than leave it sit open for a week and re-hash the entire discussion.
Here were the closing announcements:
- Expect a large "Closed as a result" bucket expected this week
- There is a possible second bucket with low-contention items not discussed on the floor
- Deadline for pull requests from either bucket will be Sunday 11/15, so we'll get those to you ASAP.
- Reminder of Working group mid-session meeting tomorrow 6am Pacific
- Our next task force meeting next Wednesday at 7am Pacific (the usual time)
- 3 Liaisons received and 3 proposed responses... thanks Kent for drafting these! Please provide feedback via email
- Matt/Kent/Beth to discuss the handling of remaining open comments and will express a path forward via the reflector (additional meetings, carry over comments, etc.)
- As today is veteran's day here in the US, I would be remise to not acknowledge any of you who have served or have had family members serve in your own countries. Thank you all veterans around the world!
~Beth
From: Elizabeth Kochuparambil (edonnay)
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 3:29 PM
To: STDS-802-3-100GEL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 11/10 & 11/11 Plenary Telephonic Meetings Proposed Agenda
Thank you all for your grace with today’s short meeting (among the sea of IEEE meetings this week). Thank you to all of those involved in the offline consensus building lead by Adee and Adam to close these big ticket items (EOJ & EW/ESMW)
and help progress us forward.
Tomorrow will be another busy day… but instead, 3 full hours of it!
The editorial team will be moving Cl 162 – Medium Delay up to the start, then marching down the Comment Resolution agenda starting from ERL.
See you tomorrow!
~Beth
From: Elizabeth Kochuparambil (edonnay)
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: 'STDS-802-3-100GEL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' <STDS-802-3-100GEL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 11/10 & 11/11 Plenary Telephonic Meetings Proposed Agenda
Hello Colleagues –
Below is my proposed agenda for the meetings this week. I’d like to draw your attention to a few items:
- Given the big items to resolve on Tuesday, I will all us to extend the meeting up to 15 minutes, if I believe that this will be beneficial. My apologies if that messes up a meeting
you have set immediately after the announced end.
- Tuesday we’ll be resolving the topics of EOJ and EW/ESMW – In both cases, we’ve already had extensive discussion on these and interested parties continued offline discussion, resulting
in a new consensus proposal… See ran_02a and healey_02 (alt 2, slides 4-8)
- Regardless of how much we cover on Tuesday, we will start with ERL and clause 162 on Wednesday.
Beth
MEETING DETAILS
Tuesday, Nov 10th, 9-10am PDT (1 hour) + up to 15 minutes, if needed to finish a topic
Wednesday, Nov 11th, 7-10am
PDT (3 hours)
https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/onstage/g.php?MTID=e06e7398bac27ef6543ebd6d49e502b08
Email Beth if you do not have the calendar invite, and would like it.
PROPOSED AGENDA
- Approval of the Agenda
- IEEE Participation Requirements reminder (https://standards.ieee.org/ipr/index.html)
- IEEE Copyright reminder (http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml)
- IEEE Patent Policy reminder (http://www.ieee802.org/3/patent.html)
- Reminder of Ground Rules and Operations
- Liaison Responses
- Comment Resolution
- Resolution of “bucket4” comments -
https://www.ieee802.org/3/ck/comments/draft1p3/8023ck_D1p3_comments_proposed_bucket4.pdf
- CC: 120F/162/163 even-odd jitter
- 190, 186, 52, 189, 187, 188, 127, 48, calvin_01, ran_01, ran_02 (late)
- 120G: EW/ESMW
- 41, 88, 89, 208, 209, 240, 93, 94, 243, 245, 100, 101, 211, 105, 106, 102, 210, 257, healey_01, dawe_01, healey_02 (late)
- IF time remains on Tuesday – or will push to end of the list.
- 120G: TP4 - 182, 183, 184, maki_01
- 120G: TP4a - 109, 254, 185
- ERL
- Justification Slide decks: champion_01, kocsis_01, wu_03
- Parameters & Values: kochuparambil_03, 114
- Possible to push to next bucket: 113, 175, 143, 145, 114, 110, 3, 4, , 10, 87, 90, 99, 95, 104
- Believed to have already made decisions in previous comments: 202, 203, 8, 82, 85, 31, wu_02, 34, 237, 238
- ERL Wording: 12, 176, 157, 217 (likely to push to next bucket)
- Cable Assemblies - Clauses 162, 162 A/B
- 162 CA IL: 17, 173, 174, 221, 133
- 162 CA XTALK: 121
- 162A Host IL: 18, 19
- 162B TF wording: 268
- 162B: MTF IL: 21, 177, 269, dominico_02 (late)
- 162B: MTF RL: 22, 122, 123, 178, kocsis_02,
- 162B: MTF XTALK: 20, 117, 118, 119, 180, 181
- Clause 162 (non-cable assembly)
- Medium Delay: 120
- PMD Control: 1, 47
- RIT: 131
- TX coefficients: 50
- TX vf: 124
Please be familiar with IEEE policies prior to the call:
IEEE patent policy - http://www.ieee802.org/3/patent.html and http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/materials.html
Participant policy - http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml
Copyright policy - https://standards.ieee.org/ipr/index.html
Dear Colleagues –
As promised on Wednesday’s Ad Hoc, this email is announcing the series for Draft 1.3 comment resolution. We have our work cut out for us, but we are finding our stride in this virtual meeting world. The
goal will be again to close all of the 270+ comments received this round. Kent and I
will be hosting 9 meetings for this series, but Matt and ourselves will be actively working to reduce the meeting time. Calendar invites to come next week.
We know it’s a lot of information, but please read through the overview below.
~Beth & Kent
P802.3ck Chair and Vice-Chair
Below are some key differences
in comment resolution compared to our July series.
- Meetings and deadlines will be split in two: big ticket discussions and regular comment resolution. We’ll run the first two meetings much like ad hocs,
however, we reserve the right to make decisions and close related comments.
- We’ll plan to take a 5-10 coffee/bio break mid-way through the 3 hour meetings.
- No “hallway discussion” time on Wednesday prior to the meeting – offline consensus building is highly recommended.
- Priority may be given to filling in TBDs
Meeting List
- Tuesday, October 13, 7-10am PDT – Big Ticket Discussions
- Wednesday, October 14, 7-10am PDT – Big Ticket Discussions
- Tuesday, October 20, 7-10am PDT
- Wednesday, October 21, 7-10am PDT
- Tuesday, October 27, 7-10am PDT
- Wednesday, October 28, 7-10am PDT
- Tuesday, November 10, 7-10am PDT
- Wednesday, November 11, 7-10am PDT
- Wednesday, November 18, 7-10am PDT
Supporting and Consensus Presentations
- Presentation requests for any/all D1.3 topics are due (to Beht & Kent) on Wednesday, October 7 AoE
- Presentation Deadline
- … for big ticket items listed below… PDF presentations are due to me by Friday, October 9th AoE
- … for remaining topics… PDF presentations are due to be by Friday, October 16th AoE
- Remember that presentations should be topic specific (please do NOT cover a large number comments in your presentation unless they are on the same topic)
- You will be restricted to 10 minutes including questions of clarity … so please be succinct and structure
your presentation as such.
- Special case for big ticket item presentations
- Depending on the presentation load, we may extend Q&A beyond clarity
- We will extend the Q&A time as seen fit
- You may submit a presentation on big ticket items, even it if wasn’t your comment. If you have data to share on the topic that may help drive us to
a decision, please share it!
Big Ticket Items*
*this list may be amended next week… but here are the topics we know so far
- 120G: eye width (EW) and eye symmetric mask width (ESMW)
- 120F/163/163A: RX/TX test fixture
- 162/163/120F/120G/93A/163A: ERL/dERL
- 162/163/120F/120G: even-odd jitter
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