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Re: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

Hello

 

Regarding choice of a name:

 

Including the word â??transmitterâ?? seems appropriate since that is the component of interest.  The proposed measurement captures effects of waveform, transition time, RIN and jitter; perhaps, we can think of these as signal or transmitter quality attributes and include the word â??waveformâ?? and/or â??qualityâ??.  Since a higher numeric measurement result is less than a lower value, perhaps â??penaltyâ?? is a better choice than â??qualityâ??.

 

Iâ??ve arrived at Transmitter Waveform Penalty (TWP).  Itâ??s not in the list of 802.3 2012 abbreviations, although TWDP is.  Alternatives for â??waveformâ?? include â??signalâ?? and there must be others.  Alternatives for â??penaltyâ?? includes â??qualityâ??, â??attributeâ??, â??characteristicâ?? and there must be others.

 

By the way, I stripped off the confidentiality statement that was at at the bottom of the this string, assuming that it wasnâ??t intended and hoping no one minds.

 

Regards,

John

 

From: Jonathan King [mailto:jonathan.king@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 6:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

Letâ??s add it to the listâ?¦.

 

From: Jack Jewell [mailto:jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 6:26 PM
To: John Petrilla; Anslow, Peter; Mike Dudek; Jonathan King; STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; a_flatman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Abbott, John S Dr; Amezcua, A. (Adrian); Andy Moorwood; Bernstein, Gary; Gary Nicholl (gnicholl); Jeffery Maki; Keith Nellis; Kolesar, Paul; Lian Zhao; Phil.McClay@xxxxxx; Mike Peng Li; mnowell@xxxxxxxxx; Oren Sela; Patrick Decker; Rabinovich, Rick (Rick); Rick.Pimpinella@xxxxxxxxxxx; Robert Coenen; Ryan Latchman; Scott Kipp; Swanson, Steven E; Tracy, Nathan L; Vipul Bhatt
Subject: Re: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

For some reason, all these name suggestions have the David Bowie song â??TVC 15â?? going through my headâ?¦

--  Laugh at yourself at least once a day   :-)

     JJ

 

From: John Petrilla <john.petrilla@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM
To: "Anslow, Peter" <panslow@xxxxxxxxx>, Mike Dudek <mike.dudek@xxxxxxxxxx>, Jonathan King <jonathan.king@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <a_flatman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Abbott, John S Dr" <AbbottJS@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Amezcua, A. (Adrian)" <adrian.amezcua@xxxxxxxxx>, Andy Moorwood <amoorwood@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bernstein, Gary" <GBernstein@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Gary Nicholl (gnicholl)" <gnicholl@xxxxxxxxx>, Jack Jewell <jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jeffery Maki <jmaki@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Keith Nellis <knellis@xxxxxxxxx>, "Kolesar, Paul" <PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Lian Zhao <lzhao@xxxxxxxxx>, <Phil.McClay@xxxxxx>, Mike Peng Li <mpli@xxxxxxxxxx>, <mnowell@xxxxxxxxx>, Oren Sela <orens@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Patrick Decker <patrick.j.decker@xxxxxxxx>, "Rabinovich, Rick (Rick)" <rick.rabinovich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Rick.Pimpinella@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Robert Coenen <rcoenen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ryan Latchman <ryan.latchman@xxxxxxxxx>, Scott Kipp <skipp@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Swanson, Steven E" <SwansonSE@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Tracy, Nathan L" <ntracy@xxxxxx>, Vipul Bhatt <Vipul_Bhatt@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

Hello

 

Including dispersion in the name seems misleading in that the measurement is insensitive to actual fiber characteristics and to the associated transmitter attributes.

 

Regards,

John

 

From: Anslow, Peter [mailto:panslow@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:39 AM
To: Mike Dudek; Jonathan King; STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; a_flatman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Abbott, John S Dr; Amezcua, A. (Adrian); Andy Moorwood; Bernstein, Gary; Gary Nicholl (gnicholl); Jack Jewell; Jeffery Maki; John Petrilla; Keith Nellis; Kolesar, Paul; Lian Zhao; Phil.McClay@xxxxxx; Mike Peng Li; mnowell@xxxxxxxxx; Oren Sela; Patrick Decker; Rabinovich, Rick (Rick); Rick.Pimpinella@xxxxxxxxxxx; Robert Coenen; Ryan Latchman; Scott Kipp; Swanson, Steven E; Tracy, Nathan L; Vipul Bhatt
Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

Mike,

 

Of the two, I would prefer TDeP Transmitter and Dispersion eye Penalty.  I donâ??t think including the name of one instrument that might be used to measure this (even though it features in the block diagram) is a good idea.

 

Regards,

Pete Anslow | Senior Standards Advisor
43-51 Worship Street | London, EC2A 2DX, UK
Direct +44 2070 125535 |

 

From: Mike Dudek [mailto:mike.dudek@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 31 July 2014 16:28
To: Jonathan King; STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; a_flatman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Abbott, John S Dr; Amezcua, A. (Adrian); Andy Moorwood; Anslow, Peter; Bernstein, Gary; Gary Nicholl (gnicholl); Jack Jewell; Jeffery Maki; John Petrilla; Keith Nellis; Kolesar, Paul; Lian Zhao; Phil.McClay@xxxxxx; Mike Peng Li; mnowell@xxxxxxxxx; Oren Sela; Patrick Decker; Rabinovich, Rick (Rick); Rick.Pimpinella@xxxxxxxxxxx; Robert Coenen; Ryan Latchman; Scott Kipp; Swanson, Steven E; Tracy, Nathan L; Vipul Bhatt
Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

We were talking about needing a better name for TxVEC because this measurement includes the effects of Fiber Dispersion not just Transmitter effects.  How about TDeP  Transmitter and Dispersion eye Penalty or TDoP - Transmitter and Dispersion oscilloscope Penalty,.

 

Mike Dudek 

QLogic Corporation

Director Signal Integrity

26650 Aliso Viejo Parkway

Aliso Viejo  CA 92656

949 389 6269 - office.

Mike.Dudek@xxxxxxxxxx

 

 

From: Jonathan King [mailto:jonathan.king@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:14 PM
To: STDS-802-3-100GNGOPTX@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; a_flatman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Abbott, John S Dr; Amezcua, A. (Adrian); Andy Moorwood; Anslow, Peter; Bernstein, Gary; Gary Nicholl (gnicholl); Jack Jewell; Jeffery Maki; John Petrilla; Keith Nellis; Kolesar, Paul; Lian Zhao; Phil.McClay@xxxxxx; Mike Peng Li; Mike Dudek; mnowell@xxxxxxxxx; Oren Sela; Patrick Decker; Rabinovich, Rick (Rick); Rick.Pimpinella@xxxxxxxxxxx; Robert Coenen; Ryan Latchman; Scott Kipp; Swanson, Steven E; Tracy, Nathan L; Vipul Bhatt
Subject: RE: [802.3_100GNGOPTX] MMF ad hoc, MMF ad hoc Thursday 31st July, 2014, cancelled

 

Dear all,

Iâ??ve not had any requests for presentation or discussion topics for tomorrowâ??s MMF ad hoc call, and as itâ??s also OIF week, I propose to cancel the meeting tomorrow.

 

Our next meeting will be on the 7th August 9am to 10.30 am Pacific.

 

Best wishes

jonathan

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