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Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting



Dear Marek,

I think I am confuing you a little.
I want 29dB CHIL for 1x32 @ 10km not for 1x32 @ 20km.
So, I said CHIL for 1x64 @ 10km was 32dB of CHIL for 1x32 system @ 10 km + 
3 dB for increased split count.

However, some people think 29dB CHIL is useful for 1x32 @ 20km, and I do 
not care about it.

I would like to say I cannot use 29dB CHIL for 1x64 @ 10km, but I do not 
oppose it.

Sincerely yours,
Tsutomu TATSUTA


At 19:30 07/02/06, Hajduczenia, Marek wrote:
 >Dear Tatsuta-san,
 >I am by no means suggesting that we need to define the split ratio for the
 >system (apart from the minimum split ratio as defined in 802.3ah). I was
 >just curious about the CHIL for 1x64 system @ 10km using Your highly
 >connectorized fibre.  You say that 1x64 @ 10km requires 32 dB which is like
 >29dB of CHIL for 1x32 system @ 20 km + 3 dB for increased split count. Did
 >You account here for the decreased fibre span (10 km less should provide
 >roughly 3-4 dB lower loss if I am not mistaken ... )
 >Best wishes
 >Marek Hajduczenia (141238)
 >SIEMENS Networks S.A. - IC COM D1 R
 >Rua Irm〓os Siemens, 1
 >Ed. 1, Piso 1
 >Alfragide
 >2720-093 Amadora
 >Portugal
 >* Marek.Hajduczenia@siemens.com
 >http://marekhaj.easyisp.pl/index.php
 >(+351.21.416.7472  4+351.21.424.2082
 >
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: TATSUTA [mailto:tatsuta@ANSL.NTT.CO.JP]
 >Sent: ter〓a-feira, 6 de Fevereiro de 2007 3:16
 >To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@listserv.ieee.org
 >Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting
 >
 >Dear Marek,
 >
 >At first, I have to explain 29dB CHIL.
 >In case of our network, 1x32 and 10km reach needs 29dB CHIL.
 >So, 1x64 and 10km needs 32dB CHIL.
 >
 >However, I think we can use 29dB CHIL for 1x32 split and 20km in the spread
 >sheet, because it looks more reasonable for the other people.
 >Also, somebody can use the 29dB CHIL system for 1x64 and 10km.
 >
 >My question is why we need to decide split ratio?
 >I think the split ratio needs to be decided for calculating a channel
 >insertion loss or a power budget.
 >Once the power budget is decided, an operator can use the system for what
 >they want.
 >Somebody can use it for 1x64 and 10km, somebody can use it for 1x128 and
 >5km, etc.
 >
 >Sincerely yours,
 >Tsutomu TATSUTA
 >
 >
 >
 >At 20:33 07/02/05, Hajduczenia, Marek wrote:
 > >Dear Tatsuta-san,
 > >Would You be able to estimate what channel insertion loss would be observed
 > >in this type of a system should 1x64 split PON be constructed with 10km
 >reach ?
 > >Best wishes
 > >
 > >Marek Hajduczenia (141238)
 > >SIEMENS Networks S.A. - IC COM D1 R
 > >Rua Irm縊s Siemens, 1
 > >Ed. 1, Piso 1
 > >Alfragide
 > >2720-093 Amadora
 > >Portugal
 > >* Marek.Hajduczenia@siemens.com
 > >http://marekhaj.easyisp.pl/index.php
 > >(+351.21.416.7472  4+351.21.424.2082
 > >
 > >
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: TATSUTA [mailto:tatsuta@ANSL.NTT.CO.JP]
 > >Sent: segunda-feira, 5 de Fevereiro de 2007 3:22
 > >To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@listserv.ieee.org
 > >Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting
 > >
 > >Dear Frank,
 > >
 > >This is Tsutomu TATSUTA from NTT.
 > >
 > > >1) Can someone elaborate the apps background of 29dB? is it simply for the
 > > >loosy legacy fiber link? If not, I suggest we specify 29dB for high split
 > > >ratios. We have 24dB for 20km with at least 1:16, then 29dB could be usable
 > > >for 64 or higher. This is important for leveraging the 10G ONU cost.
 > >
 > >Unfortunately, we use more connectors in a real field than you image.
 > >So, we need 29dB only if we use 32 split ratio.
 > >
 > >Sincerely yours,
 > >Tsutomu TATSUTA
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >At 07:59 07/02/03, Frank Chang wrote:
 > > >Hi Robert;
 > > >
 > > >Very nice notes. One question again I'd like to stress:
 > > >
 > > >1) Can someone elaborate the apps background of 29dB? is it simply for the
 > > >loosy legacy fiber link? If not, I suggest we specify 29dB for high split
 > > >ratios. We have 24dB for 20km with at least 1:16, then 29dB could be usable
 > > >for 64 or higher. This is important for leveraging the 10G ONU cost.
 > > >
 > > >2) The question of EFM FEC is good one. I know it's now rarely used by
 > > >fields. Can someone explain how this feature is optional? So one doesnot
 > > >have to pay its complex if donot need the gain.
 > > >
 > > >Regards
 > > >-Frank
 > > >
 > > >-----Original Message-----
 > > >From: Lingle, Jr, Robert (Robert) [mailto:rlingle@ofsoptics.com]
 > > >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:37 PM
 > > >To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@listserv.ieee.org
 > > >Subject: Re: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting
 > > >
 > > >Please find attached the notes for the first Power Budget Ad Hoc meeting.
 > > >
 > > >Please direct any corrections to me.
 > > >Robert
 > > >
 > > >-----Original Message-----
 > > >From: Lingle, Jr, Robert (Robert) [mailto:rlingle@OFSOPTICS.COM]
 > > >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:09 PM
 > > >To: STDS-802-3-10GEPON@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
 > > >Subject: [8023-10GEPON] [POWER_BUDGET] ad hoc group 2nd meeting
 > > >
 > > >All,
 > > >
 > > >I will send the notes from this week's meeting tomorrow 2/2.
 > > >
 > > >As discussed in the previous call, the next call(s) will occur on Tuesday
 > > >Feb 6 at 7PM EST and Wednesday Feb 7 at 9AM EST.
 > > >
 > > >Notes from this week's call as well as agenda for next week will be sent
 > > >Friday.
 > > >
 > > >Toll-free in US	866-263-8899
 > > >Outside US 	816-249-6061
 > > >Conf. Code	7707985015
 > > >
 > > >Robert
 > > >
 > > >Robert Lingle, Jr.
 > > >Fiber Design and Transmission Simulation
 > > >OFS Corporate R&D, Atlanta
 > > >404-886-3581 (cell)
 > > >770-798-5015 (office)