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Re: Annex 48A Jitter Test Patterns




Hi Boaz

The CJTPAT significantly harder pattern for a CDR compare to random 
8B/10B.    So I am not sure what kind of random data you used for 
your simulation or if you simulated the CDR performance.  CJTPAT
like pattern are intended to stress PLL and may not be the worst
ISI pattern.

Thanks,

Ali Ghiasi

Boaz Shahar wrote:
> 
> Rich,
> In the last meeting (Jan 01), on Thursday, I presented simulation results
> that show the following:
> 
> 1.A Random pattern creates a worst jitter then CJPAT for the XAUI compliance
> channel proposed
> 2.The existence of a "Killer Pattern" (Called there "MystiCom Killer
> Pattern") that generate much more jitter then the random pattern
> 
> The presentation will be in the web soon.
> 
> Both the random pattern and killer pattern are XAUI valid pattern that may
> occur during regular operation. It is true that Tom Lindsay explained that
> when both devices are AC coupled, the CJPAT generates higher amount of
> jitter (Our simulation was DC coupled). This may be true. Assuming that this
> is right, the jitter pattern may be a composition of the two.
> 
> Anyway, the subject is still under study, and I think its too early to
> determine the pattern, especially due to the fact that in the XAUI Jitter
> meeting we agree to further study it.
> 
> Boaz
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rich Taborek [mailto:rtaborek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:12 AM
> > To: HSSG
> > Subject: Annex 48A Jitter Test Patterns
> >
> >
> >
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> >
> > This note contains the XGMII source for Jitter Test Patterns for the
> > 10GBASE-X PHY. These patterns were approved by Task Force motion on
> > Friday in Irvine. An updated copy of Annex 48A, including the
> > proper CRC
> > values, has been sent for upload to the P802.3ae web site as well. All
> > patterns, with the exception the Continuous Jitter Tolerance Test
> > Pattern (CJTPAT) in 48A.5, are exactly the same as or correspond to,
> > Annex 36A patterns for 1000BASE-X. The CJTPAT is new and
> > recommended for
> > jitter testing by the MJS specification referenced in Annex 48A. The
> > following are the open issues Annex 48A that I'm aware of. I'd
> > appreciate the identification of any other issues as well as suggested
> > remedies for open issues:
> >
> > 1) The applicability of these patterns to XAUI. My sense is that they
> > are they are all directly applicable.
> >
> > 2) The number of times that the low/high data values are
> > repeated in the
> > CJTPAT frame may need to be adjusted to account for line rate
> > differences between Fibre Channel and 10GBASE-LX4/XAUI. For
> > example the
> > low high values are repeated twice within a maximum length
> > 802.3 frame.
> > A note in Annex 48A addresses this point.
> >
> > 3) Are any other patterns required? I have heard that mixed frequency
> > patterns which do not obey 8B/10B rules have been suggested.
> > Personally,
> > I don't believe that patterns worse than "worst case" patterns
> > observable in a system environment need be specified. If additional
> > patterns are required, please make those requirements known ASAP.
> >
> > 4) Are there any complaints about jitter compliance testing,
> > effectiveness of patterns, availability of parts supporting patterns,
> > etc. associated with 1000BASE-X? P802.3ae can benefit greatly form the
> > experiences of 1000BASE-X users in this area since the
> > 10GBASE-X PHY is
> > based on 1000BASE-X. 1000BASE-X users with jitter testing experience
> > should feel compelled to speak up now.
> >
> > 5) Annex 48A is now mandatory. This means that all 10GBASE-X PHY
> > components must support all test patterns described in Annex 48A. It
> > also means that Clauses 47, 48, 54 must all cross reference Annex 48A.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Rich
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ben Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > Rich,
> > >
> > > Attached are the XGMII sources for the patterns. Please verify that
> > > this is indeed the packets you want. The first column are
> > the control
> > > bits[3:0] in hex and the next column is the data bits[31:0] in hex
> > > format. There are a few bytes of IPG and a preamble before and some
> > > more IPG after the packet. The last row in both packets is the
> > > CRC you asked for. Remember, in the annex, you might want to
> > > write the bytes of the IPG in big endian format whereas they are
> > > in little endian format in these files.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > Rich Taborek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gentlemen,
> > > >
> > > > This note contains Annex 48A as presented to the
> > 10GBASE-LX4 Working
> > > > Group during Irvine, CA meetings of January 10-12.
> > > >
> > > > David Law: Please upload the file to the IEEE P802.3ae
> > web site as an
> > > > Irvine contribution. The title is: "Jitter test
> > patterns". The author is
> > > > me.
> > > >
> > > > Ben: Please calculate the CRC for the modified RPAT and
> > JTPAT frames
> > > > described in 48A.4 and 48A.5, respectively.
> > > >
> > > > Tom: Please take a look at the JTPAT patterns in 48A.5.
> > The number of
> > > > times that the low/high data values are repeated in the
> > frame may need
> > > > to be adjusted to account for line rate differences between Fibre
> > > > Channel and 10GBASE-X. For example the low/high values above are
> > > > repeated twice within a maximum length 802.3 frame. What's your
> > > > suggestion for the exact length of each low/high pattern
> > and how many
> > > > times it should be repeated?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Richard Taborek Sr.                 Phone: 408-845-6102
> > > > Chief Technology Officer             Cell: 408-832-3957
> > > > nSerial Corporation                   Fax: 408-845-6114
> > > > 2500-5 Augustine Dr.        mailto:rtaborek@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Santa Clara, CA 95054            http://www.nSerial.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >             Encoding: base64
> > >
> > > --
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > Benjamin Brown
> > > AMCC
> > > 2 Commerce Park West
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> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Richard Taborek Sr.                 Phone: 408-845-6102
> > Chief Technology Officer             Cell: 408-832-3957
> > nSerial Corporation                   Fax: 408-845-6114
> > 2500-5 Augustine Dr.        mailto:rtaborek@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Santa Clara, CA 95054            http://www.nSerial.com
> >

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Ali Ghiasi
Broadcom Corp.