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Hi Vijay, For item 2c, we can easily build this into the auto-negotiation mechanism. We just need to agree on which is the higher priority 1TPCE or OABR mode for priority resolution. I would assume the newer 1TPCE will be of higher priority. Just a point of clarification – are you advocating defining 2 different modes where 1TPCE mode looks different on the wire than OABR mode. Or are you just saying everything looks the same on the line except under what’s at the receiver is different. Thanks, William From: Ceekala, Vijaya [mailto:Vijaya.Ceekala@xxxxxx] Dear Colleagues As we discussed in the meeting today here are my comments about a few discussion points that came up today: 1. Objectives of 1TPCE The second bullet in the objectives includes this phrase, 'Provide electrical interoperability with existing single balanced twisted pair 100 Mb/s client interface (OABR* PHY)' while the subscript at the bottom of the page points to the BroadRReach V3.0 specification. As Geoff (Thompson) so eloquently pointed out in the meeting today, there is a fundamental issue with the above 2 statements. There is no evidence (empirical or otherwise) that proves that if a PHY meets V3.0 spec, then it is electrically interoperable with existing single twisted pair PHY. Conversely there is also evidence (empirical or otherwise) that proves that every deployed OABR PHY today meets Broad-reach V3.0 specification. I am not sure that as an IEEE spec. these 2 inconsistencies can be reconciled. I propose we change the above wording to say the following, 'Provide electrical interoperability with a PHY that meets BR V3.0 specification'. 2. PoDL questions At the end of the session, Dave had couple of questions about PoDL. It is obvious that if we want to define a 100BaseT standard, we want to define it in such a way it reduces the external PoDL component cost. Starting with this assumption then we need to ensure that a certain Base-line wander can be tolerated. This may mean some of the existing OABR PHYs may not function with these components which leaves us with 3 options: a. Branch off PoDL and have different 'more expensive' components defined for 1TPCE. I am not sure why this should be the case b. Define a coding (or a scrambling scheme) or a Wander cancellation scheme on the receive side to ensure this wander can be tolerated. Obviously in this case, some of the existing OABR PHYs may not function c. Define a negotiation scheme. Negotiation scheme can negotiate between different speeds as well as different versions of the standard(say between 1000BASE-T1, 1TPCE and OABRV3.0). If we want to define a standard such that we can future proof it to make it inter-operable with 1000BASE-T1, using less expensive external components for PoDL, while maintaining compatibility with previous V3.0(or 3.2 specs) then Negotiation is definitely one way that can be used. I propose 'c'. Regards Vijay Vijaya Ceekala Texas Instruments -----Original Message----- Team, FYI Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Thomas Hogenmueller -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Law, David [mailto:dlaw@xxxxxx] Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Juni 2014 01:25 Betreff: [STDS-802-3] July plenary announcement Dear Colleagues, IEEE 802.3 will meet Monday 14th July through Thursday 17th July 2014 in San Diego, CA, USA. The IEEE 802.3 meetings are scheduled to occur in the Manchester Grand Hyatt, San Diego, CA, USA. As always, the IEEE 802 LMSC session announcement, registration and current hotel information can be found through the 'Next IEEE 802 Plenary session notice' link on our home web page <www.ieee802.org/3>. To receive email updates and reminders for the plenary sessions, subscribe to the stds-802-ALL reflector <http://listserv.ieee.org>. The IEEE 802.3 working group (WG) opening plenary meeting will begin at 13:00 on Monday 14th July, and the IEEE 802.3 WG closing plenary meeting will begin at 13:00 on Thursday 17th July. Task Force (TF), Study Group (SG), Maintenance standing committee and any appropriate ad hoc meetings will be scheduled between the opening and closing IEEE 802.3 meetings as illustrated in our typical schedule also found on our web site <http://www.ieee802.org/3/plenary.html>. The draft agenda, as well as liaison letters received so far, are available in the minutes area <http://www.ieee802.org/3/minutes/jul14/index.html> and will be updated as required prior to the meeting. The agenda will be approved at the meeting. We will gather two records of attendance, the attendance tracking tool and attendance books in each meeting. The attendance tool will be the only official record of attendance for building and maintaining WG membership. The meeting attendance books will be used to record the attendance in the minutes for each meeting and it is important that you review these minutes to make sure your attendance is recorded correctly as this will be the backup should there be an issue with the attendance tool. Attendance credit toward membership requires attendance at three of the four days of the IEEE 802.3 session, independent of how long a particular TF or SG might be meeting. The attendance tracking tool will only allow sign in on Monday at the opening IEEE 802.3 plenary and on Thursday at the closing IEEE 802.3 plenary meeting (not during the Thursday morning meetings). A number of WG decisions are expected during the IEEE 802.3 meetings (most on Thursday during the closing meeting). Depending on the amount of discussion, the Thursday closing meeting may run beyond our target 18:00 ending time, so please plan your travel accordingly. Additional subgroup information follows. Information for contacting Task Force chairs, and archival project information can be found on our web site: <www.ieee802.org/3>. Please note that IEEE P802.3bm 40 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Fibre Optic Task Force will be holding an interim meeting on the Sunday and Monday morning prior to the IEEE 802.3 Opening plenary and that the IEEE 802.3 Industry Connections Next Generation Ethernet Passive Optical Network (NG-EPON) Ad Hoc will be meeting on the Sunday prior to the IEEE 802.3 Opening plenary. On the evening of Wednesday 16th July 2014 a Birds-of-a-Feather (BOF) session will be held for all attendees to gather and discuss emerging applications that may leverage or impact the overall IEEE 802 community. The format of the BOF will be short presentations from a selected panel to seed the discussion on how emerging applications may affect, leverage, or utilize technology based on the IEEE 802 family of standards. I look forward to seeing you in San Diego, CA, USA. David Law Chair, IEEE 802.3 Working Group IEEE 802.3 Business (Mon & Thu afternoon) ----------------------------------------- Working Group Home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/index.html> In addition to regular Working Group business, there will be Task Force and Study Group business based on the status below, as well as a Call for Interest. Maintenance Task Force (Wed afternoon) -------------------------------------- Task Force Home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/maint/index.html> The Task Force will be considering new maintenance requests, reviewing the status of outstanding maintenance requests. Questions about maintenance activities can be addressed to the Maintenance Task Force Chair, Mr Adam Healey. IEEE P802.3bj 100 Gb/s Backplane and Copper Cable Task Force (No meeting) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bj/index.html> Since IEEE P802.3bj 100Gb/s Backplane and Copper Cable draft D3.2 was approved as an IEEE Standard on Thursday 12th June this Task Force will not be meeting. IEEE P802.3bm 40 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Fibre Optic Task Force (Sun, Mon morning, Tue) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bm/index.html> This will be the twelfth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bm 40 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Fibre Optic Task Force. The 40 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Fibre Optic Task Force is expected to be in comment resolution on comments received on the initial sponsor ballot of 40 Gb/s and 100 Gb/s Fibre Optic draft D3.0 that is due to close prior to the meeting. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr Dan Dove. IEEE P802.3bn EPON Protocol over Coax (EPoC) Task Force (Tue-Thu) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bn/index.html> This will be the thirteenth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bn EPON Protocol over Coax (EPoC) Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bn Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr Mark Laubach. IEEE P802.3bp Reduced Twisted Pair Gigabit Ethernet PHY Task Force (Tue-Thu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bp/index.html> This will be the tenth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bp Reduced Twisted Pair Gigabit Ethernet PHY Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bp Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr Steve Carlson. IEEE P802.3bq 40GBASE-T Task Force (Tue, Wed morning) ----------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bq/index.html> This will be the eighth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bq 40GBASE-T Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bq Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr David Chalupsky. IEEE P802.3br Interspersing Express Traffic Task Force (Wed-Thu) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/br/index.html> This will be the fourth meeting of the IEEE P802.3br Interspersing Express Traffic Task Force. The IEEE P802.3br Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr Ludwig Winkel. IEEE P802.3bs 400Gb/s Ethernet Task Force (Wed-Thu) --------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bs/index.html> This will be the second meeting of the IEEE P802.3bs 400Gb/s Ethernet Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bs Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr John D'Ambrosia. IEEE P802.3bt IEEE P802.3bt DTE Power via MDI over 4-Pair Task Force (Tue afternoon-Thu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bt/index.html> This will be the fourth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bt IEEE P802.3bt DTE Power via MDI over 4-Pair Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bt Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. Questions about the Task Force can be addressed to the Task Force Chair, Mr Chad Jones. IEEE P802.3bu 1-Pair Power over Data Lines (PoDL) Task Force (Tue morning) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task Force home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/bu/index.html> This will be the fourth meeting of the IEEE P802.3bu 1-Pair Power over Data Lines (PoDL) Task Force. The IEEE P802.3bu Task Force continues to work on selection of a set of baseline proposals to satisfy the project objectives, progressing towards a technically complete draft for working group ballot. IEEE 802.3 Gigabit Ethernet Over Plastic Optical Fiber Study Group (Wed-Thu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Study Group home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/GEPOFSG/index.html> This will be the second meeting of the IEEE 802.3 Gigabit Ethernet Over Plastic Optical Fiber Study Group. The Study Group has developed and approved the draft IEEE P802.3bv Standard for Ethernet Amendment: Physical Layer Specifications and Management Parameters for 1000 Mb/s Operation Over Plastic Optical Fiber PAR, as well as supporting CSD and objectives. The draft PAR, CSD and objectives are pending IEEE 802.3 Working Group approval at this meeting prior to seeking approval of both the PAR and CSD by the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive committee. The draft PAR, CSD and objectives can be accessed as follows: Draft PAR request: <http://ieee802.org/3/GEPOFSG/DraftPAR_GEPOF_1b_0514.pdf> Draft objectives: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/GEPOFSG/Objectives.pdf> Since the submission deadline for the August 2014 NesCom meeting (11th July 2014) occurs prior to the date of the July IEEE 802 EC meeting, I have pre-submitted the draft PAR to NesCom on the understanding that any changes to the draft PAR text resulting from the Plenary review process will be promptly communicated to the NesCom Administrator and should the IEEE 802.3 Working Group or the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive Committee not approve the submission, it will be removed from the NesCom agenda. Questions about the Study Group can be addressed to the Study Group Chair, Mr Bob Grow. IEEE 802.3 1 Twisted Pair 100 Mb/s Ethernet Study Group (Tue afternoon, Wed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Study Group home page: <http://ieee802.org/3/1TPCESG/index.html> This will be the second meeting of the IEEE 802.3 1 Twisted Pair 100 Mb/s Ethernet Study Group. The Study Group has developed and approved the draft IEEE P802.3bw Standard for Ethernet Amendment Physical Layer Specifications and Management Parameters for 100 Mb/s Operation over a Single Balanced Twisted Pair Cable (100BASE-T1) PAR, as well as supporting CSD and objectives. The draft PAR, CSD and objectives are pending IEEE 802.3 Working Group approval at this meeting prior to seeking approval of both the PAR and CSD by the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive committee. The draft PAR, CSD and objectives can be accessed as follows: Draft PAR request: <http://ieee802.org/3/1TPCESG/public/P802_3bw_PAR_220514.pdf> Draft objectives: <http://ieee802.org/3/1TPCESG/public/20140513_V2_Objectives.pdf> Since the submission deadline for the August 2014 NesCom meeting (11th July 2014) occurs prior to the date of the July IEEE 802 EC meeting, I have pre-submitted the draft PAR to NesCom on the understanding that any changes to the draft PAR text resulting from the Plenary review process will be promptly communicated to the NesCom Administrator and should the IEEE 802.3 Working Group or the IEEE 802 LMSC Executive Committee not approve the submission, it will be removed from the NesCom agenda. Questions about the Study Group can be addressed to the Study Group Chair, Mr Thomas Hogenmueller. IEEE 802.3 Industry Connections Next Generation Ethernet Passive Optical Network (NG-EPON) Ad Hoc (Sun) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ad Hoc home page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/ngepon/index.html> This will be the fourth meeting of the IEEE 802.3 Industry Connections Next Generation Ethernet Passive Optical Network (NG-EPON) Ad Hoc. The activity has been chartered to generate a report which will detail: (a) operators' requirements, (b) technological and economic tradeoffs of various approaches to next generation EPON, (c) the state of the art for optical subscriber access network technology, and (d) potential solutions that merit further consideration. Questions about the Ad Hoc can be addressed to the Ad Hoc Chair, Mr Howard Frazier. IEEE 802.3 25 Gb/s operation over a single lane call for interest ----------------------------------------------------------------- CFI page: <http://www.ieee802.org/3/cfi/request_0714_1.html> The following request for agenda time for a 25 Gb/s operation over a single lane call for interest has been received from Mark Nowell. ---- The use of Top of Rack 4x10Gb/s breakout using 40Gb/s interfaces has become very popular over the last few years in hyper-scale data centers and cloud services providers. As these data centers prepare to transition to 100Gb/s Ethernet, there is an expectation to use the 100Gb/s 4x25Gb/s interface specified in IEEE P802.3bj and IEEE P802.3bm as effectively as is done with the 4x10Gb/s 40Gb/s Ethernet interface. Efficient and effective data center and cloud architectures would utilize the 25Gb/s technology within the 4x25Gb/s 100Gb/s interface technology and enable breakout to single lane 25Gb/s interfaces. At this time, there is no ability for data centers and cloud services providers to enable this network efficiency without a common specification for 25Gb/s Ethernet. This Call For Interest is a request for the formation of a study group to 1) explore enhancements that take advantage of interfaces within IEEE P802.3bj and IEEE P802.3bm to provide a single lane 25Gb/s Ethe! rnet specification for server interconnects, and 2) the market requirements supporting the server-TOR application of a 25Gb/s Ethernet interface. ---- The call for interest will take place during the IEEE 802.3 Opening Plenary on the afternoon of Monday 14th July. A call for interest consensus building meeting will be scheduled to occur during the week. The vote to determine if a Study Group will be formed will take place at the IEEE 802.3 Closing Plenary on the afternoon of Thursday 17th July. Project Authorization Requests (PARs) ------------------------------------- The following are the PARs from other Working Groups for consideration at the July plenary. Comments are due by 17:00 on Tuesday so if there is any interest to review any of these PARs an Ad Hoc will be chartered to generate and submit the comments. New Projects: IEEE P802.1AEcg Media Access Control (MAC Security Amendment: Ethernet Data Encryption devices Draft PAR: <http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2014/cg-draft-aegc-par-0514-v2.pdf> IEEE P802.1ARce Secure Device Identity Amendment: SHA-384 and P-384 Elliptic Curve Draft PAR: <http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2014/new-802-1ARce-draft-par-0514-v1.pdf> IEEE P802.15.4s Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks Amendment: Spectrum Resource Measurement Draft PAR: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/13/15-13-0615-08-0sru-sru-working-draft-par.pdf> Draft CSD: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/14/15-14-0175-04-0sru-working-draft-of-sg-sru-csd.docx> IEEE P802.22.3 Standard Specifying Spectrum Occupancy Sensing (SOS) Measurement Devices and Means that Enable Coalescing the Results from Multiple Such Devices Draft PAR: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/14/22-14-0075-02-0003-spectrum-occupancy-sensing-par-form.pdf> PAR extension: IEEE P802.11ah Wireless LAN MAC and PHY Specifications Amendment: Sub 1 GHz License-Exempt Operation Draft PAR: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-0590-01-00ah-tgah-par-extension.docx> IEEE P802.11ai Wireless LAN MAC and PHY Specifications Amendment: Fast Initial Link Setup Draft PAR: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/14/11-14-0653-02-00ai-tgai-par-extension.docx> Draft 5C: <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/10/11-10-1153-00-0fia-fast-initial-link-set-up-5c.doc> IEEE 802.3 Rules ---------------- At the March 2014 plenary we discussed two proposed revisions to the IEEE 802.3 operating rules. It is expected that a vote will occur at the IEEE 802.3 closing plenary to decide if the change should be accepted, rejected or sent out for a Working Group ballot. For details see <http://ieee802.org/3/minutes/mar14/0314_rules_close_report.pdf>. Tutorials --------- IEEE 802 Tutorials web page: <http://www.ieee802.org/Tutorials.shtml> Session #1, Monday 18:00 to 19:30 Pervasive Surveillance of Internet Session #2, Monday 19:30 to 21:00 Spectrum Occupancy Sensing Session #3, Monday 21:00 to 22:30 NETCONF/YANG Tutorial for the IEEE 802 Emerging Applications Birds-of-a-Feather ---------------------------------------- Wednesday, 18:30 to 21:00 <http://ieee802.org/Tutorials.shtml#Bof_1407> [1] I Feel the Need... for Low Speed [2] Emerging Applications of Enhanced User and Device Identities [3] IOT2.0: When the IOT and Micro Location Converge |