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Hi Brian, You make good points that we have seen proposals and measurements with high grade components, such as used for long haul telecom applications. The high cost and power is then dismissed as not representative of integrated implementations, without detailed discussion of what the implementations actually are. We do need to be cautious about using your approach to benchmark implementations. The SiP PIC grating coupler which you have presented is bandwidth limited so obviously has high loss for WDM applications. However, there are other approaches, including for SiP PIC like some presented in .bm, which do not have this limitation. With respect to your beliefs, I hate to shake them, but here is at least one real example of 8x50G integrated solution: http://www.ieee802.org/3/bs/public/14_07/cole_3bs_01a_0714.pdf#page=20 Chris From: Brian Welch [mailto:bwelch@xxxxxxxxxxx] My proposal is not to assume very low loss technologies for technical feasibility, while simultaneously assuming that future integration will bring the cost down. I’ve heard many times on questioning that products will be cost reduced in the future with ‘Integration and SiP’, although no presentations as to whether these proposals would allow for such measures. As per what I think are likely losses for WDM MUX/DEMUX I’ll refer you to my prior bm and bs presentations on the matter, at least for 2L and 4L. I don’t have anything on 8L as I don’t believe such solutions will ever allow for integrated solutions, although I may be able to provide more quantitative answers in our next meeting. Brian From: Chris Cole [mailto:chris.cole@xxxxxxxxxxx] Brian What is your proposal? Chris From: Brian Welch [mailto:bwelch@xxxxxxxxxxx] What technologies/integration are you assuming in these MUX/DEMUX figures? Conservative for one technology (ie, discrete thin film) may not be for another (ie, integrated SiP). Brian From: Chris Cole [mailto:chris.cole@xxxxxxxxxxx] Dear Task Force Participants, Last week, the TF gave permission to update cole_3bs_02 to include TX and RX analog BW used in TDP calculations, which was requested during Q&A. The updated deck was posted last week. http://www.ieee802.org/3/bs/public/14_09/cole_3bs_02b_0914.pdf#page=5 (pages 5 and 6) On a separate topic, in this presentation, we use 2.5dB for 4:1 WDM Mux and 1:4 WDM DeMux loss, which is conservative. Other presentations use loss values of 1.5dB and 2.0dB. Since these values do not enter into normative specifications, normally there is no need for agreement. However, when making comparisons between different approaches, if the loss values are not the same, the results are not apples-to-apples. To enable fair comparison of different results I would like to propose that we all use 2.0dB as the value for 4:1 Mux loss, and for 1:4 DeMux loss. This value was used by Alan Tipper in his analysis. This is neither conservative nor aggressive. Using this number in no way constrains implementations. When we adopt normative specifications, everyone is free to set their design and production targets as they please. If we can agree on a consensus 4:1 Mux and DeMux loss value for use in analysis, I will update our optical specifications analysis to reflect it. Thank you
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