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400G Task Force, In the electrical ad hoc yesterday, I objected to using the materials loss tool because I thought it could be misused. After Beth explained how people should use the tool, I could not retract my objection before the conversation went out
of control. I agree to use the tool to predict losses, but would like for people to use the tool appropriately. I would like to build consensus to what kinds of electrical channels this project should support. The question that arises is: Should we define the same electrical channels for 1X50G, 4X50G and 8X50G when they are serving different markets and volumes? I propose that 8X50G (CDAUI-8) electrical channels should be different than channels that will eventually be defined for 1X50GbE (LAUI) because: 1.
Crosstalk - Crosstalk will impact the channel by more than 3dB. I base this off some excellent work that Avago presented to T11 earlier this month. In 14-409v0, Avago showed how going from 1X28G (32GFC) to 4X28G (128GFC) caused a 2.5dB
decrease in the channel mainly due to crosstalk in the QSFP28 connector. I would expect more crosstalk than 2.5dB when the speed and number of channels are doubled. 2.
Small market - The 400GbE market based on 802.3bs standards will be small compared to single lane 50GbE channels that won’t be standardized for a few years. 802.3bs needs to recognize that this project is targeting a very small market
for high-end router interconnects. The complete router market was less than 2M ports/year according to leading analyst firms and not growing much. 16X25G and 8X50G will never be deployed in millions of ports/year because it will be made obsolete by a future
4X100G 400GbE project. 50GbE will go after a larger market and be designed into high-volume, server interconnects by the end of the decade while 4X100G technology will be in the next decade. 3.
High cost – Because of the low volume of 8X50G and the high quality required by the router market, the cost will be high for 400GbE. Because of the premium nature of the router market, electrical channels will be made of high quality,
high cost materials that can be absorbed in high end router products. 4.
Better Materials – The group should model channels based on the better materials supported by the high-end router market in 2018. As others said, the materials being targeted in 802.3bs should be different than the materials targeted
for high volume servers in 802.3bj and a future 50GbE project. Based on these 4 factors that are related, we need to agree on a distance that needs to be supported and consider crosstalk and the loss/inch of better materials. Based on these difference, I bet that CDAUI-8 electrical channels will be
5dB different than the eventual LAUI-1 electrical channels. We should make sure that CDAUI-8 is optimized for our application, not for LAUI-1 that might be optimized for server and switches. I’d like to hear if you disagree with these claims. Kind regards, Scott Kipp |