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Hi, Paul Thank you for your reply. First, you are definitely right, 25GE/50GE is very important for TOR. The only debated question is how to provide
25GE for TOR? I think there are 2 very good choices:
1)
SFP28. 1U TOR face can provide 48 port SFP28. 48 port is enough for most of the data center application.
2)
QSFP28 breakout 25GE. 1U TOR can have 32 ports of QSFP28, so you get 128 port of QSFP28. Finisar has
released SFP28-SR and QSFP28 breakout optical
transceiver at OFC2015,
which support
100G QSFP28 SR4 to 4x25G SFP28 Transceiver Break-Out Please fefer to :
http://investor.finisar.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=903065 Second, use 400GE SR-16 breakout 16x25G
and 8x50G is not good choice for TOR. If you choose 400GE SR-16 to breakout 25G, you cannot get more than 128 port, no advantages. The other question is,
do you really need 400GbE on TOR?
When consider about
50GE single lane (today’s 50GE are 2-lane instead 1 lane), I think the QSFP28 will go to QSFP56(i.e. 200GE) in the long term, then QSFP56 can breakout 50GE single lane.
--You can get 128 port 50G 1-lane on 1U TOR with QSFP56 breakout. 25GE group (
http://www.ieee802.org/3/by/public/May15/index.html) focus on 3~5 meter cable, instead of optical. Because Cable is less expensive than optical. If cable is the main stream of 25GE, it is not
reasonable that 400GE group thinks too much about 25GE optical breakout. Finally, after reading all the following reply, I think most of other gentlemen agree with my No.3 conclusion:
TOR do not have 400GE, so no need for 8x50G and 16x25G breakout.
Du Wenhua
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My conclusions: From: Kolesar, Paul [mailto:PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Brad, I am not trying to dispute what you already know as an employee of Microsoft. But the 50G you speak of is multi-lane, meaning 2x25G. This only
emphasizes my point that 25G is an important and lasting lane rate because it has a lot of utility. Just because 50G servers may exist does not mean 25G servers disappear. That certainly has not been the case with 1G servers in the wake of 10G servers.
The redesign of switches is not only driven by lane rate increases, but also by cost reductions. There will remain a lot of customers interested in non-bleeding edge solutions even as hyperscale DCs move upward. So while your view may be spot on for Microsoft,
that does not mean it reflects the total market. As a recurring theme it has become obvious that one size increasingly fails to fit all. Regards, Paul From: Brad Booth [mailto:bbooth@xxxxxxxx]
There will be 50 GbE on the server before there is 400G on the TOR and even before 400G task force gets to working group ballot. :-) It won't be 50G on a single lane though, but it will be 50G Ethernet. Also, by the time 400G is on the TOR, there will be end users considering 100G (again, not on a single lane) to the server. Cheers, On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Ali Ghiasi <aghiasi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Paul I said by "the time server and silicon technology catches where 400 GbE is integrated on the TOR”! In 1-2 silicon generation when 400 GbE is integrated on the TOR then you will also see 50 GbE on the server. We are developing 25GbE because 10G is not sufficient for a segment of market and 25 GbE cost less than the alternative the 40 GbE. The same economic will apply to 50 GbE later on! Thanks, Ali Ghiasi Ghiasi Quantum LLC
On Jun 24, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Kolesar, Paul <PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ali, In order for 50G lanes to make sense for ToR switches, servers must be able to use that rate. I think the market will put 25G servers to several
years of use before 50G servers overtake them. Witness the time lag for 10G servers to overtake sub-10G servers. 10G is now in its prime with 25G up and coming. If this is not true, why are we bothering to develop 25GE? Paul From: Ali Ghiasi [mailto:aghiasi@xxxxxxxxx] Paul Initial application of 400 GbE will follow 100 GbE early deployment SMF ports on Routers and Spin switches. Du Wenhua statement is correct to say 400 GbE will not be integrated initially on TOR. By the time server and
silicon technology catches where 400 GbE will be integrated on TOR then we will have 50 GbE on single lane of SMF/MMF. So 16x25G MMF has limited life/application and soon to be obsolete with emergence of 50G eco-system. Thanks, Ali Ghiasi Ghiasi Quantum LLC
On Jun 24, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kolesar, Paul <PKOLESAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Du Wenhua, -----Original Message----- -----Original Message----- |