Re: [802.3_GEPOF] 802.3 GEPOF 10/2 all
Carlos-san, all,
I withdraw my comment.
Yuki@Sumitomo
>Dear Hayato-san, all,
>
>thanks a lot for your contribution. But I would like to put some
>rationale in all these.
>
>Certainly POF has some advantages vs copper, like EMC, Galvanic
>isolation, fast and easy installation. But copper is the facto standard
>for data links, and is the cheapest solution. Going to the Ethernet
>copper inventors and say that the POF is much better, sounds to me at
>least naive if not a bit rude.
>If your point is that now, all the Ethernet data-links are going to move
>from copper to POF because is much better, I can promise, it is not
>going to happen.
>I understand your view, because when you spend some time working with
>POF, it is easy to get in love with it because it is very easy to
>install, robust and flexible. But we should not loose our mind. "Our
>girl-friend is not the most beautiful women on the world, even if we
>think so"
>
>I think that we should reinforce the complementary message with copper,
>instead of attacking the copper. Right now copper is used where ever is
>possible, and if we are going to convince somebody to change to POF with
>the promise of easiness of installation, when the bill of materials is
>higher, it will not happen. People change, only when they have to. Of
>course there are some people who believes POF make sense even when it is
>a bit more expensive, but this will be a small quantity.
>We need to identify a problem, explain why copper can not fix it, an how
>POF is the best way to do it. For example, if we talk about lighting
>sparks, this will only apply to country side houses separated from big
>cities. Most of the city houses are already protected.
>
>For the home network, we should focus in retrofit houses, where
>installation of new cables is very expensive, and reusing the mains
>plastic conduits is the optimum solution. Due to codes, and security
>reasons, only POF can be used in this conduits. If there are already
>data conduits in the home, installers will use copper, not matter what
>you say. Homes with data conduits in Europe is bellow 10%, so the market
>for POF is big.
>
>So, again, we need to reinforce the message that POF is the best
>Ethernet complement to copper. Where ever CAT cables can not make it,
>POF might make it.
>We need to convince people to be friends of POF, and if we say that our
>girl-friend is more beautiful that the others, we will get enemies,
>rather than friends.
>
>So, in some way I like your presentation because it is describing the
>good thinks of POF, but I disagree with a message of POF will kill
>copper, because is naive, not real, and rude.
>
>Please consider this email as a constructive comment, and with the only
>intention of putting the right direction to our presentations.
>
>Regards
>
>Carlos
>
>El 01/10/14 07:02, hayato-yuuki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx escribio':
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> Attached file is my comments.
>> If Eugene-san's presentation slides has these consideration, please dump my comments.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yuki@Sumitomo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot Eugene.
>>
>> Talk to you on Thursday.
>>
>> People, please send PPTs as soon as possible.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> El 30/09/14 13:10, Dai, Eugene (CCI-Atlanta) escribi・
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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