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Bert,
Wilco.
I was struggling to find the
set of
words you suggest. I will
add
your text to the disclaimer,
and
redo the document pronto.
Howard
Thanks Howard. So it seems we are still in sync on the
intended approach.
Adding the
Editor's note - The following MIB module definition was
copied directly from IETF RFC XXXX, without change. It
was
placed here as a starting point for review and
comment,
and for no other purpose. ALL OF IT IS SUBJECT TO
CHANGE.
Would be good. You may want to add:
THE OID BRANCH WILL CERTAINLY CHANGE. And
the HUBMIB mailing list
is not the place to comment on this IEEE 802.2
D0.x document. Use the
ieee 802.3 mailing list for that.
If "just following RFC 4663 to the best of your abilities" is
sufficient is something
that I am not sure of. It describes the transfer of the
BRIDGE-MIB WG MIB modules.
Certainly, we all want to follow a similar process. But
quite probably some
others may want you/us to do a similar RFC for the
HUBMIB-WG MIB modules.
Maybe the Liaison people or Dan can chime in on
that.
Bert
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:47
PM
Subject: RE: IEEE 802.3 MIB-work -
initial draft P802.3.1/D0.5 is now available
Bert,
Thank you for perusing the
draft.
The intent at this point was to simply pull all of
the
relevant RFCs, the SMIv2 module from 802.1AB Annex F,
and the GDMO from
802.3 into one document to use as a
starting point for review, comment,
adds/changes/deletes.
It was a big editing task to get the material
organized and
formatted. We did manipulate the text to make it look more
like a single IEEE draft rather than a collection of documents
from
various sources, written at various times.
The draft has absolutely no
status whatsoever at this point,
and it is far from completion. I did put
editor's notes into
the text to indicate that OID allocations would
change,
although I did not touch the MIB modules themselves.
The
plan is to begin what we refer to as a "task force
review", wherein we will
make exactly the sort of changes
you have described, as well as all of the
changes needed to
bring the modules up to date. We will follow the
directions of
RFC 4663 to the best of our abilities.
I understand
the concerns about this draft creating some
confusion, and I want to
rectify this. It would not
be practical for me to edit each of the MIB
modules in
the next couple of days, but I can add a bold-face
disclaimer to each of the clauses, right before the MIB
module
definitions, take down D0.5, and put up a new D0.6. Would
this
help? Since I have not published ASCII versions
of any of the modules, I
think the potential for harm is limited.
The disclaimer would read as
follows:
Editor's note - The following MIB module definition was
copied directly from IETF RFC XXXX, without change. It was
placed here
as a starting point for review and comment,
and for no other purpose. ALL
OF IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
Suggestions welcome.
Howard
Frazier
Chair, IEEE 802.3.1 MIB Task Force
-----Original
Message-----
From: Bert Wijnen [mailto:bert803@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:
Monday, July 06, 2009 2:06 PM
To: Howard Frazier; STDS-802-3-MAINT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
Grow, Bob; Tony Jeffree
Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); IESG; Bernard Aboba; Eric
Gray
Subject: IEEE 802.3 MIB-work - initial draft P802.3.1/D0.5 is now
available
Howard and others,
A quick browse through the document
seems to tell me that you have copied a
set of
RFC-published MIB
modules into your document. I am not sure what the
intention is.
I
thought we agreed that it makes no sense to just re-publish IETF publiced
MIB
modules into an IEEE 802.3 document. Pls confirm that we are still
aligned
on that
thought/plan.
If they are copied just to have a
starting point and to work on new/modified
MIB
modules, then fine. But
I would add VERY CLEAR MARKERS to state so.
I would also remove the OID
assignment for the MIB modules. So pls, as an
example
(clearly thius
applies to several MIB modules in the document), change:
DOT3-OAM-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN
... snip
...
dot3OamMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
LAST-UPDATED
"200706140000Z" -- June 14,2007
ORGANIZATION
"IETF Ethernet Interfaces
and Hub MIB Working Group"
CONTACT-INFO
"WG
Charter:
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/hubmib-charter.html
Mailing lists:
General
Discussion: hubmib@xxxxxxxx
To Subscribe: hubmib-requests@xxxxxxxx
In Body: subscribe
your_email_address
Chair: Bert
Wijnen
Alcatel-Lucent
Email: bwijnen at
alcatel-lucent dot com
Editor:
Matt Squire
Hatteras
Networks
E-mail: msquire at
hatterasnetworks dot com "
DESCRIPTION
... snip
....
REVISION "200706140000Z" -- June 14,
2007
DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC
4878."
::= { mib-2 158 }
into something
like:
IEEE8023-DOT3-OAM-MIB DEFINITIONS ::=
BEGIN
... snip ...
ieee8023Dot3OamMIB
MODULE-IDENTITY
LAST-UPDATED "200907060000Z" -- July
6,2009
ORGANIZATION
"IEEE 802.3 TG ...."
CONTACT-INFO
"IEEE 802.3 TG contact
info
DESCRIPTION
... snip
....
REVISION "200907060000Z" -- July 6,
2009
DESCRIPTION "Initial version, based on an earlier
version in RFC 4878."
::= { IEEE-8023-xxxx xxxx
}
By doing the abovem it becomes clear that:
- it will be a new
module name
- it will be rooted (when finished) under an IEEE 802.3 OID
branch
- the work is happening in IEEE 802.3 WG/TG
- proper contact info
(mailing list etc) is provided
And we will prevent that
- people think
they are going to see an updated IETF MIB module
- people think thye should
discuss this on teh IETF HUBMIB mailing list
- people think that IETF
peoplre have responsibilities here (they do not,
it is 802.3
responsibility
- people will accidentally use this MIB module in an
incomplete form with
an incorrect OID (IETF Branch).
I think
it is further important that 802.3 comes up with a RFC 4663
like
document that gets published as an IETF RFC. I thought we had agreed
on
that.
I had offered my help a number of times. Right now I am
somewhat busy and I
am not sure when I can help out on this. Anyway,
RFC4663 is a very good
starting
point.
Thanks,
Bert
Wijnen
former IETF HUBMIB WG chair, although speaking as an
individual.
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard
Frazier
To: STDS-802-3-MAINT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent:
Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:04 AM
Subject: [802.3_MAINT] P802.3.1/D0.5 is now
available
Dear Members of the IEEE 802.3.1 MIB Task Force,
and
the IEEE 802.3 Maintenance Task Force,
IEEE P802.3.1/D0.5 Draft
Standard for Management
Information Base (MIB) definitions for
Ethernet
has been posted to the IEEE 802.3.1 MIB Task Force
private
web page.
http://www.ieee802.org/3/be/private/
You
will need the following username and password
to access this
page.
We will be reviewing this draft at our upcoming
meeting
Wednesday morning, July 15, in San Francisco.
My hope is that we will be
able to begin the
Task Force review process after the meeting.
I
offer my thanks and appreciation to John Hawkins
from Cienna for his
valuable help in creating this
draft.
Howard Frazier
Broadcom
Corporation
Chair, IEEE 802.3.1 MIB Task Force
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